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Chemist

Number of posts: 125 Age: 76 Localisation: Ireland Cap Badge: Civilian and National Service RAF Places Served: Pet Lab No4 Petroleum Depot Warendorf,Ord 2d Andover Registration date: 2009-07-15
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:30 am | |
| | Claymore wrote: | "We had Brixmis, the Reds had Soxmis. What did the Yanks and the Frogs have?"
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Thanks Claymore.
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|  | | nobby clark

Number of posts: 92 Age: 62 Localisation: manchester Cap Badge: 1R.Hamps / RAOC Places Served: baor-Hong Kong-Malaya-Borneo-Belize-F.I.-Cyprus-N.I.-UK. Registration date: 2008-04-07
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:09 am | |
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|  | | Stephen Lock
Number of posts: 406 Age: 56 Places Served: Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date: 2007-12-28
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:10 pm | |
| Funny how growing up in the circumstances surrounding being a Dependent of the Canadian Armed Forces colours ones perceptions or even awareness. for instance, while quite familiar with SOXMIS, it never occurred to me, even all these decades later, that the NATO troops would probably have something similar bipping around the Eastern Sector/East Germany. I'd never heard of BRIXMIS, for instance. Well, colour me naive!! LOL The site offered up by nobby is quite interesting. Nice cars too! Better than what I remember the poor slobs who were SOXMISers having to put up with. I also wasn't aware the Americans and French had parallel outfits. Did the Canadians and Belgians have any? I doubt the Belgians did...a more impoverished Army would be hard to find! the Cold War was an interesting time, more so actually when we all just viewed it, as children and teens, as completely normal! LIke having tanks rolling down the Ringstrasse in Soest...no big deal to us, but when my mother mentioned it, totally in passing, to her mother in a letter, the next letter from home was full of alarm...Nana was sure my Mom was describing some sort of invasion and was worried sick. |
|  | | recce83

Number of posts: 75 Age: 70 Localisation: Peachland British Columbia, Canada Cap Badge: Black Watch of Canada Places Served: 4 CIBG Soest and Werl 1957-1965, Camp Borden, Camp Gagetown Registration date: 2009-06-04
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:14 pm | |
| Only the four occupying powers had military missions: Britain, USA, France and the USSR. It was before your time, Steve, but up to the mid or late 1950s the three western zones were quite clearly defined although the word 'occupation' was avoided. Canadians weren't allowed into Berlin at all, except under special circumstances (we had an intelligence unit at the Olympic Stadium in the latter cold war years). Can't speak for the Belgians. As for the books cited on that excellent web page: I've found used copies at both Barnes & Noble and Chapters web pages. They want the earth for them, though. Still debating how badly I want to read them. Glad I got my copy of "Brixmis" by Tony Gerahty when it was in print.
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|  | | MIKE S
Number of posts: 3 Localisation: gloucestershire Cap Badge: royal artillery Places Served: baor-Anglesey- Registration date: 2009-07-29
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:49 pm | |
| Once saw a soxmis vehicle forced of the road just down from 24 missile in Paderborn. The officer that got out was a six footer and looked very smart ,he seemed unperturbed by the event but was obviously outside his allowed inspection area. |
|  | | Stephen Lock
Number of posts: 406 Age: 56 Places Served: Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date: 2007-12-28
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:27 pm | |
| | recce83 wrote: | | Only the four occupying pwers had military missions: Britain, USA, France and the USSR. It was before your time, Steve, but up to the mid or late 1950s the three western zones were quite clearly defined although the word 'occupation' was avoided. Canadians weren't allowed into Berlin at all, except under special circumstances (we had an intelligence unit at the Olympic Stadium in the latter cold war years). Can't speak for the Belgians. As for the books cited on that excellent web page: I've found used copies at both Barnes & Noble and Chapters web pages. They want the earth for them, though. Still debating how badly I want to read them. Glad I got my copy of "Brixmis" by Tony Gehratty when it was in print. |
Ah yes...I do recall that now re the 4 "occupying powers" (the former Allies) and I do remember the 4 "zones" with the Soviet Union holding a huge swath of East Germany, East Berlin, and various Eastern European countries (Soviet Bloc/Behind the Iron Curtain) and Britain, US and France divvying up the rest, although France's share was down around Metz and airforce and not particularly large. They had Lahr too before the Canadians took it over (and the Canadians had a small presesence there with the Canadian Air Force in the very late 60's as I recall). Made sense since Metz and Lahr were so close to the German-French border. One could bip over to Strasbourg from Lahr quite easily.
In about 1970 some of our teachers did a trip to Moscow which surprised many of us as Moscow was definitely off the radar to all of us!
Ditto for East Berlin, although my parents did make a trip one weekend into West Berlin. I remember Mom saying the descent into Templehof was a bit unnerving as the plane literally flew between hi-rise apartment buildings and she could see people sitting at their breakfast table and what they were having for breakfast! Yikes.
I didn't pay much attention to my parents' Berlin trip as I wasn't included (it was a Parent Get-a-way, if you get my drift) but as I think back Dad may have had to arrange for some sort of special dispensation or some such. They did go to Checkpoint Charlie but of course were not allowed into the Eastern Sector at all.
Dad managed to snap a picture of the Soviet guards on ceremonial duty at the Brandenburg Gate (then in East Berlin and not accessible to Western Tourists) as the bus drove by on the West Berlin side and slowed down, despite everyone being told the Soviets didn't like photos being taken of their soldiers. Dad did a bit of that sort of stuff LOL
I really don't know under whose authority the Royal Belgian Army fell. They were concentrated in Soest and Werl and, at least at one time in Iserlohn (by my time there was a married quarter area known as the East Belgiques but lived in by Canadians--the Belgians were long gone). IN Soest they had at least 4 Kasernes, a couple of married quarter areas (maybe 3), and a hospital along with a quite 'posh' Officer's Club just west of the main Soest PMQ's, across Arnsberger Strasse that Canadians often went to (at least senior NCo's and officers did). It's still there but I think derelict now, sad to say. |
|  | | dandc

Number of posts: 144 Age: 59 Localisation: gateshead Cap Badge: 15/19H.AAC Places Served: tidworth, fallingbostle, detmold, hongkong, minden Registration date: 2009-05-22
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:55 pm | |
| i still have my thankyou card from the RMP for reporting a soxmis car,i still remember the day it happend,i had just picked my mother up from the airport and i sppotted him on the way back to detmold,itold my mother what was happening it was the most exciting part of her stay,[her words not mine her stay wasent that boring]. |
|  | | Hardrations

Number of posts: 168 Localisation: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Cap Badge: RC Sigs (RTG Op) / CF Logistics (Cook) Places Served: Germany, Egypt, Cyprus, CFS Alert and lots of other strange places Registration date: 2007-12-16
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:08 pm | |
| In reference to BRIXMIS I've read some where that there were Canadian Officers on secondment to them. Would make sense as were were part of BAOR. Which believe it or not we were still technically after we moved to Lahr. |
|  | | Stephen Lock
Number of posts: 406 Age: 56 Places Served: Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date: 2007-12-28
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:10 am | |
| | dandc wrote: | | i still have my thankyou card from the RMP for reporting a soxmis car,i still remember the day it happend,i had just picked my mother up from the airport and i sppotted him on the way back to detmold,itold my mother what was happening it was the most exciting part of her stay,[her words not mine her stay wasent that boring]. |
My dad got one too and framed it. I inherited it and whenever friends were over and noticed it, they'd sometimes ask what it was. These friends, btw, were all civilians so when I told them what SOXMIS was, they thought I was making it up...it was, as one said, just too James Bond LOL Silly civvies.... |
|  | | Hardrations

Number of posts: 168 Localisation: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Cap Badge: RC Sigs (RTG Op) / CF Logistics (Cook) Places Served: Germany, Egypt, Cyprus, CFS Alert and lots of other strange places Registration date: 2007-12-16
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:10 pm | |
| There was nothing more fun than a 5 ton wrecker bearing down on a SOXMIS car. The drivers look on his face was priceless. Took some fine judgement when to brake, but our guys were good at it. The SOXMIS always took great interest in the SSM Bty as they were a nuculear delivery out fit. |
|  | | 298HALL
Number of posts: 22 Age: 49 Localisation: Sherwood Forest Cap Badge: Royal Corps of Signals Places Served: Paderborn / Werl Registration date: 2008-04-17
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:58 pm | |
| On an exercise in the early 80's (I was in a Brigade Sig Sqn) an odd voice suddenly broke into the Brigade Command Net. One of our watchkeepers, an Education Corps officer was a Russian linguist and identified the language as russian. If he is breaking in I thought he must be close by - turns out there was a Soxmis car nearby and the RMP chased them in a Landrover. Thing is, I know Brixmis and the other allied Missions didn't carry radios, assume Soxmis did - otherwise it's a massive and unlikely coincidence ! Later - maybe on the same exercise our MT Staffie "lost" his SMG and the whole troop ended up combing the woods for the weapon, which we never did find. Didn't do the Staffie's career much good and he was posted out soon after...... Of course we found out Soxmis had been sniffing around our locations once we packed up and moved. |
|  | | Hardrations

Number of posts: 168 Localisation: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Cap Badge: RC Sigs (RTG Op) / CF Logistics (Cook) Places Served: Germany, Egypt, Cyprus, CFS Alert and lots of other strange places Registration date: 2007-12-16
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:12 pm | |
| We had a fella lose his FN C1 (SLR) in a German village. As was pointed out by the Meatheads (MP's ) it was probably well hidden with weapons that had been stashed when Napoleon was last through. I remember when the RCMP from the embassy in Bonn came down to Lahr to investigate said FN C1, the fella was crying out, " For Kriss sake do they want to make it a federal case". It was pointed out to him that the RCMP are the Federal Govt's police. Silence ensued. |
|  | | ciphers

Number of posts: 163 Age: 76 Localisation: Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada Cap Badge: Royal Signals Places Served: Catterick - BAOR (Herford - Bunde - Munster) - Japan (Kure) - Korea (Pusan - Seoul) - Cyprus (Nicosia) - Suez Op (1st Guards Brigade) - UK (63 Sigs Regt TA, Southampton) Registration date: 2008-06-30
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:17 pm | |
| Does this bring back memories ... Len (Ciphers)  |
|  | | Mike_2817

Number of posts: 73 Localisation: North Yorkshire Cap Badge: RAOC Registration date: 2009-08-27
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:14 pm | |
| Soxmis had there base at Bunde,and the building had more antenna,s on it, than the BT tower, used to see them in the NAAFI shop escorted by RMP all the time buying booze and cigarettes [Yes the did get a BAOR Ration Card] There there was allways RMP cars outside the misson, and when a SOXMIS car left the RMP followed. The whole 4 pages of British Army SOXMIS card  Sighting Report Confirmation Postcard  and the smaller US Army item  Note the differant plates for differant missions. |
|  | | Chemist

Number of posts: 125 Age: 76 Localisation: Ireland Cap Badge: Civilian and National Service RAF Places Served: Pet Lab No4 Petroleum Depot Warendorf,Ord 2d Andover Registration date: 2009-07-15
 | Subject: Re: SOXMIS STORIES Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:17 pm | |
| Ciphers Have you got one of those chits they gave you on the Berlin train? I lost mine in a move |
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