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cartav
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Places Served : Oswestry, Tonfanau, Woolwich, Osnabruck, MT School Bordon, Bulford, Manorbier, Hameln, R.Sigs Blandford, RSME Chattenden, Western Highlands.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   22/6/2013, 10:43

brian beckett wrote:
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There was 3 DM on the spot fine!   Several people at Bruggen got caught and we were warned in SROs.
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Danke !    Alles klar.  Befehl ist befehl !

I remember she told me this, but she was  always ten paces in the rear when she insisted on adopting the same practice at pedestrian crossings in UK. 
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   23/6/2013, 14:54

And why did German companions always insist on waiting for the Green Man at pedestrian crossings when I had sprinted across ? Quote


Us Brits were not disciplined enough to obey the traffic lights. Remember when the bobbies did their traffic control duties at busy junctions and the man in uniform would tell pedestrians to wait until he signalled you to cross and if you crossed without his instruction it would land you fine and a wee trip to the polis station for yir troubles.drunken
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   23/6/2013, 23:06

Does anyone remember the crossroads in Detmold where in 51 the traffic control was round discs hung in the centre of the intersection, half green and half red with a clock hand going around constantly,and you could cross while the hands were in the green. I wasn't a driver at that time,but as a passenger it used to brighten up those endless convoy journeys at 15 mph,waiting for the crash,but it never happened. Not so much traffic in those days,now it would be like Russian Roulette.
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Places Served : Oswestry, Tonfanau, Woolwich, Osnabruck, MT School Bordon, Bulford, Manorbier, Hameln, R.Sigs Blandford, RSME Chattenden, Western Highlands.
Registration date : 2011-04-26

PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   24/6/2013, 13:24

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Does anyone remember the crossroads in Detmold where in 51 the traffic control was round discs hung in the centre of the intersection, half green and half red ..............

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Not just Detmold,  but all over Germany in the 1950s as traffic control at urban crossroads.  There's one illustrated in the BAOR Drivers' Handbook.
With ample *   notice of when the rotating finger would be in your green section, it could be like a start of a Formula 1 event.

*..... Not an unintentional funny.  The German for "Traffic Light" is
"Ampel "
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Places Served : Oswestry, Tonfanau, Woolwich, Osnabruck, MT School Bordon, Bulford, Manorbier, Hameln, R.Sigs Blandford, RSME Chattenden, Western Highlands.
Registration date : 2011-04-26

PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   24/6/2013, 23:38

With no need for a trained radar op in a lt. ack ack unit, and much against my will, I was shoved in the office as a filing clerk. Eventually it all came good before I went over the wire. The BC caught me with the petrol tank & rocker cover of a Matchless bike in bits whilst trying to get a stranded DR back on the road, which I managed without disturbing Bluebells' rest day. After getting a bit stroppy the BC decided I could do other things & had me slotted in an instructor's course at Bordon.  There, the first thing they did was test the candidates' knowledge with a test paper. No sweat, the mechanical stuff  was easy, drawing the ignition circuit when it was a distributor & a coil was a piece of cake, but the questions on documentation floored me. I'd come across a 406 book, was familiar with an FMT3.   I should have identified the line of letters & numbers as a Brit Army work ticket,  but the BAOR work ticket, the one I'd seen only briefly before, was different. For some  reason BAOR had their own docs in 1955, even the MT School hadn't come across this before.  The  innocent query raised by the only NS squaddy in the group when the test was finished caused scornful laughter.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   25/6/2013, 09:16

Armoured vehs had a brown book, drivers were supposed to record everything in it, (mileage, static running, POL). From the records therein the MT NCO was able to calculate, among other things, the waggon's fuel consumption. Total fantasy, of course.
Hands up the bloke who can remember the number of the aforesaid book ! (I'm buggered if I can).
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   25/6/2013, 10:38

'A' Vehs - AB 413, 'B' Vehs - AB 562, got a B Grade on my MT Sgts Course, 1976, don'tcha know...........sniff!studystudy
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   25/6/2013, 10:54

I had a feeling you'd be the one to pick that up.
The 413, that was it !  cheers
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   25/6/2013, 11:03

Can't keep an old MT wallah down!
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   25/6/2013, 16:57

Shelldrake wrote:
Can't keep an old MT wallah down!

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So come on then !   Was I right in thinking the BAOR workticket was different
from the one used in  UK?   .......... In fact I'm sure it was in the 50's but was that still the case when you young sprogs were serving ?

And Brum............  Ref POL figures etc.     Target figure for bikes was 50mpg. No problem with the half dozen Matchless 350 GLs,  they did 70 mpg without too much persuasion. All of which meant there was chance to drain off some MT70, something much appreciated by the BSM who ran an Adler convertible, and he who had the bikes on charge & did fewer guard duties than any other NCO.  BSA 500cc M20s were less use for fuel saving game, 50 mpg was about right. 
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   26/6/2013, 08:59

As far as I am aware, cartav, TWTs were the same for both UK and BAOR vehicles, we used the same ones when the Regiment moved from Colchester to Gutersloh in '81.  About that time the TWT was replaced by the TOR (Transport Operations Record) which allowed the RCT at LE (A) to collect "Statistics".ArrowArrow
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   26/6/2013, 11:57

Shelldrake wrote:
As far as I am aware, cartav, TWTs were the same for both UK and BAOR vehicles


Thanks for that Brian........ Just (only just !) possible I was wrong but I certainly remember the scorn from the Regs when the DS went through the answers to the written questions and my knowledge of MT docs was somewhat limited then. But I had the last laugh......... Only got a "C" rating the end of one of the best two weeks in khaki, three of my betters failed totally.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   26/6/2013, 14:26

[quote="Shelldrake"]'A' Vehs - AB 413, 'B' Vehs - AB 562, got a B Grade on my MT Sgts Course, 1976, don'tcha know...........sniff!studystudy[/quote

You must have been on your MT Sgt's course at the same time as I was Shelldrake.Bordon to be precise.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   26/6/2013, 15:27

rucjock21 wrote:
Shelldrake wrote:
'A' Vehs - AB 413, 'B' Vehs - AB 562, got a B Grade on my MT Sgts Course, 1976, don'tcha know...........sniff!studystudy[/quote

You must have been on your MT Sgt's course at the same time as I was Shelldrake.Bordon to be precise.


Software on my memory requires updating, Tam - it was '78 in Leconsfield!! (Byraway did you get a "B"?) LaughingLaughing
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   27/6/2013, 12:49

Shelldrake I got the 'B' and when I was interviewed by the CO at Bordon, he asked me if I would like to return as an instructor.My own unit would not let me go as they said that I could benefit the battalion first before anyone else.I was disappointed naturally as I loved doing the course.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   27/6/2013, 13:13

They didn't ask me to come back!!drunkendrunkenSleepSleep
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   27/6/2013, 14:31

Must have built a big mess bill with all that boozing.cheers
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   27/6/2013, 15:37

Cash transactions only, Tam. No flies on that lot!!Rolling EyesRolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   27/6/2013, 16:05

Shelldrake wrote:
Cash transactions only, Tam.   No flies on that lot!!Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

REME Mess? If so then yes LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   27/6/2013, 16:46

Eric England wrote:
Shelldrake wrote:
Cash transactions only, Tam.   No flies on that lot!!Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

REME Mess? If so then yes LOL.


No, RCT mate - Army School of Mechanical Transport.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   28/6/2013, 13:28

Royal Corps of Transport= an old transport unit from bygone ages for those who were in the Logistics Corps.No they did not have horses in our days.I can remember the instructors new their jobs well.
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   28/6/2013, 16:13

rucjock21 wrote:
Royal Corps of Transport= an old transport unit from bygone ages .....................

Young upstarts !   Must have changed their names more frequently than some changed their socks.   Used to be  RASC,  (Royal Army Service Corps) and before that  just  plain  ASC  ( Ally Sloper''s Cavalry in WW1).   Somebody must have been making a pile churning out new cap badges & buttons !
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PostSubject: Re: "Driver Training" in BAOR   18/9/2013, 23:05

I did my driver training at AAC Carlisle in the sixties. Imagine my delight in being given an Austin Champ to learn in. Then imagine my horror at being presented with an Austin 1 tonner with crash box to take my test in. The examiner told me to drive him round Carlisle without waking him up!
On leaving the army from BAOR I took my HGV class 2 as my pre release course. This consisted of attending a course at a certain REME workshops in Minden where a good friend of mine was in charge. He promptly sent me on leave for a fortnight and my test consisted of taking the examiner to the NAAFI to purchase his duty frees before going on leave. Ironically I tore a muscle in my back driving the bloody AEC 10 tonner with no power steering, pushing the gear lever and the wheel in opposite directions!
The only test I ever really took was my HGV 1 which I gained in Bristol. My track license was "awarded" to me in BAOR as was my motor cycle one.
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