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PostSubject: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   18/3/2012, 16:41

I've been giving a hand at the local (Mennonite) Thrift Store. At times they get various military memorabilia, which isn't recognized for it's past history or value. Mennonites are a pacifist so aren't really to well informed about military subjects. So, any how I have three patches I'm trying to identify. The fourth one is the red patch which of course was 1st Cdn Div and I wore that up until 1967 and has come and gone on the whim of DND since then. Any body out there can assist me I'd appreciate it.

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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   18/3/2012, 17:17

Hardrations

A quick response to your query

Agree with you that the square patches are Canadian Division flashes of WW2 vintage

According to my working notes complete list is as follows

1st Infantry Division Red
2nd Infantry Division Blue
3rd Infantry Division Grey
4th Armoured Division Green
5th Armoured Division Maroon

Oblong version requires further research
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   18/3/2012, 17:48

Thanks JPW, I'm wondering if the oblong version is UK maybe a Bde one.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   18/3/2012, 20:01

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The colour combination of the oblong version looks like that of the WW2 RCAMC but I am not sure what constituted an independent Medical Brigade (found an example of a square not oblong patch on the internet)
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   18/3/2012, 22:19

Hardrats,
Just checked my books,the diamond shaped badges were Canadian corps flashes,the blue one with a red bar was 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade dark blue with a pale blue bar was 2nd Armoured Brigade.

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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   18/3/2012, 22:59

Ross,
I reread my message and should have said if you get any plain diamond shaped flashes they are Cdn corps badges,the same shape with ziz zag bars are AGRA's(artillery formations).I once worked with a guy who was Royal Artillery attached to a Cdn AGRA in Holland for the attack on the Reichswald Forest.

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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   19/3/2012, 02:36

Thank you gentlemen. The patches are definitely ones that saw service. We received a set of WW 2 medals and no history on them. People bring in boxes of stuff and leave it, items may not be sorted out for a few days. So I suspect that they saw service possibly with those medals. Or of course the patches were picked up as souvenirs by some soldier. The 2nd Infantry Division (Blue) was so weathered it was like gray on the front so had to copy the back. Be interesting to know the story on them.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   19/3/2012, 09:13

Tony E

In addition to Army/Corps level units, Canadian Independent Brigades also had oblong shoulder patches

Looking at my sources the two Armoured Brigades had black, red, black (1st) and black, blue, black flashes (2nd).

Hardrations oblong flash seems to be blue, dark red (maroon), dark blue

Jury is still out I think.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   19/3/2012, 12:12

I'll check it out at the Fort Garry Horse museum here in Winnipeg. They have a super good curator. The man knows his stuff. Thanks again.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   19/3/2012, 16:49


Here's a handy recognition site for British WW2 insignia ..

Len (Ciphers)


http://www.petergh.f2s.com/flashes.html
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   19/3/2012, 17:11

Have you had a look here Ross

http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/index.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   20/3/2012, 03:05

Shall check'em both out gents. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   21/3/2012, 23:08

Hardrats,
After a second look at the Canadian Soldier website I think that the diamond with reddish stripe comes under 2 Cdn corps RCAMC.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a bit of assistance in recognizing some Div/Bde patches   21/3/2012, 23:58

Okay Tony. Much appreciate your assistance.
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