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PostSubject: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   18/5/2012, 18:46

From: Major General N J Caplin



General Officer Commanding
United Kingdom Support Command
British Forces Post Office 140

Telephone: Rheindahlen Military Ext
Direct Dialling:
Facsimile: Rheindahlen Military Ext
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UKSC/02-01-01-05

10 November 2011

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

BRITISH ARMY PRELIMINARY MOVES FROM GERMANY

In the attached letter the Minister (Armed Forces), Mr Nick Harvey MP, has stated that as a
consequence of the UK Strategic Defence and Security Review and the Prime Minister’s
announcement to accelerate rebasing from Germany, a series of Preliminary Army Moves is to
occur in the context of MOD Planning Round measures and in support of the overall Defence
Rebasing Programme. These preliminary moves are made possible due to the identification of
early rebasing opportunities in the UK, and I wish to explain the effects that they will have on our
basing footprint in Germany.

As you will already be aware, in Celle, 2nd Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers will move to
Cyprus in July 2012 as planned and the unit due to replace it in Trenchard Barracks will now move
from Cyprus to UK. Trenchard Barracks in Celle will no longer be required by the British Army, and
we will hand the barracks to the Federal authorities by early 2013. We will, for the time being,
retain a number of the Federal Service Families Accommodation (or married quarters) in Celle for
use by personnel working in Bergen-Hohne.

Sadly, the British military association with Münster will come to an end earlier than initially planned,
in fact now it will be in 2014. In York Barracks Münster, 8 Regiment Royal Logistic Corps will
disband in summer 2012, and in a similar timeframe 1 Medical Regiment will move to Bergen-
Hohne to join its sister Regiment (2 Medical Regiment). In Oxford Barracks, when 1st Battalion The
Yorkshire Regiment moves to Cyprus in summer 2013, it will not be replaced in Münster. We will
therefore take this presented opportunity to hand back to the Federal authorities by the early part
of 2014, both York and Oxford Barracks and the families accommodation that we currently occupy
in the city. In the Münsterland we will however retain the storage depot at Dülmen.

In Bielefeld, 7 Regiment Royal Logistic Corps will move from Catterick Barracks to UK by summer
2013. The Headquarters of 24 Regiment Royal Logistic Corps will disband in a similar timeframe;
however, the squadrons of the regiment will remain in Germany for the foreseeable future and will
come under command of 29 Regiment Royal Logistic Corps in UK. From summer 2013, Catterick
Barracks will become the base for the 2* Germany administrative headquarters entitled HQ British
Forces Germany (HQ BFG) that will assume the current responsibilities of HQ United Kingdom
Support Command and the Germany Support Group. The overall number of British troops in
Bielefeld will reduce, but we intend to retain a significant military presence in the city for the
foreseeable future. These moves will enable us to close and handback the Rheindahlen Military
Complex (RMC) as explained below.


As part of a routine realignment of forces that we have been planning to complete for some time,
43 Squadron Royal Logistic Corps will move in early 2012 from Princess Royal Barracks Gütersloh
to UK where it will rejoin its parent regiment, 12 Logistic Support Regiment, and prepare for an Op
HERRICK tour of Afghanistan. This will result in a small reduction in our forces in Princess Royal
Barracks Gütersloh and will allow us to rebalance our forces between Bielefeld and Gütersloh to
better provide for HQ BFG.

Our plans for the RMC at Joint Headquarters Mönchengladbach remain as previously notified; HQ
UKSC and the GSG will transform into HQ BFG under my command as the General Officer
Commanding BFG, and will move in summer 2013 to accommodation in Catterick Bks Bielefeld
following refurbishment work to make the barracks suitable for a large headquarters. Together with
other changes, this will allow the closure and handback of the RMC and families accommodation in
Mönchengladbach to the Federal authorities by the early part of 2014, in line with the previously
announced intent. We will retain the Javelin Barracks site at Niederkrüchten-Elmpt until the early
part of 2016, dependent on estate becoming available in UK, while concentration of our personnel
in Niederkrüchten-Elmpt will allow us to close and handback the Wildenrath families
accommodation estate. We will also retain the storage site at Ayrshire Barracks (South) in
Mönchengladbach together with a small number of married quarters in Waldniel.
I realise that the rebasing decisions above will result in the closure of facilities that the British
Forces have occupied for many years, and inevitably there will be job losses among our Locally
Employed Civilian staff. In conjunction with the Federal authorities we will mitigate the effects with
Tariff Agreement Social Security (TASS) measures where applicable, and the provision of
retraining opportunities through WegeBau.

Further rebasing plans to meet the Prime Minister’s stated aim of full rebasing from Germany by
2020 continue to be developed as part of the Defence Basing Programme. I will, as ever,
undertake to keep you informed as these plans become firm.

Finally, I must again thank you, our Host Nation partners. Over the past 65 years during which the
British Army has been based in Germany we have built up close working and cultural relationships,
and I would like to formally thank both the Federal and Länder authorities at all levels and the
many local communities for making us so welcome and for all their support and assistance.
Yours sincerely,

Enclosure:
Minister (Armed Forces) letter to State Secretary Wolf.

_________________
Sua Tela Tonanti


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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   18/5/2012, 22:14

And so my friends after 65 years the curtain comes down.
From Army of Occupation to partners in NATO, even I can finally come to terms with my long held distrust of Germany. Forgive and Forget, not really, I can reluctantly forgive but my generation still find it hard to forget.


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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 00:10

So the fat lady is getting ready to sing in the not to far future.
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 15:53

Lovely names the Ministry has for explaining things i.e Drawdown, realignment, transform, rebasing, mitigate, security review. etc etc. What a lot of old dosh coddlywobble. Why don't they come clean and say we are broke. can't afford the rent etc. Makes my blood boil. Now I know how my late dad felt when they announced in simplet words in 1929 thay we were leaving the British Occupation of the Rhineland only to bomb the blighters 11 years later. What forebodes the future I wonder now that Germany is so strong again. All they need now is a radical leader then watch the fireworks. !!!
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 17:37

The voice of DOOM speaks Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 17:49

Not DOOM but Reality me thinks Gordon
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 18:28

I think they are already running Europe, they have been telling Greece, Portugal, Eire and Spain how to conduct their affairs for some time now.


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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 18:47

Shelldrake wrote:
I think they are already running Europe, they have been telling Greece, Portugal, Eire and Spain how to conduct there affairs for some time now.

Well somebody has to tell them. The Germans have been carrying them financialy. As they say, " He who pays the piper gets to call the tunes".
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 20:00

I think you may be right there Shelldrake and belated congrats for making General
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 20:02

The Germans may have lost the gun war but have won the economical war. I still can't say I fancy Angela M though.
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 20:17

Who does?
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 21:05

She was a former East German and they say she had leanings toward the Soviets. She does after all speak fluent Russian for what ever its worth.
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 21:18

A damn `Commie`, hey.

Cold steel i say, they don`t like it up `em, you know.
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   20/5/2012, 21:41

bigmal wrote:
A damn `Commie`, hey.

Cold steel i say, they don`t like it up `em, you know.
Is that 'They' or should that not be 'She' !!
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   21/5/2012, 05:26

bigmal wrote:
Who does?




She has a certain "je ne sais quoi". I love you Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   21/5/2012, 08:23

Anyone with trousers ducky? Embarassed Wink
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   21/5/2012, 10:02

Hollande would like that quote !!
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   21/5/2012, 11:37

Photobucket




Anything Germany can do we can do better!! Think there might be someone else in that photograph that we can't see. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   21/5/2012, 14:10

More like 'cede nullis' Shelldrake
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   28/5/2012, 18:56

it was fun while it lasted but it's time to go home now.
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   29/5/2012, 07:31

I happily went home 47 years ago Jock.and had even more fun... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   3/8/2015, 10:30

QDG depart Dempsey Barracks Sennelager:

http://forces.tv/11683107

(and lots more to see under this link)
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   4/8/2015, 09:26

Thanks for this clip

An end of an era particularly with your links with Paderborn Garrison

I first knew of the then KDG when they were in Neumunster in the mid 1950s
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   10/8/2015, 13:16

Paderborn Station within Westfalen Garrison !
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PostSubject: Re: BFG Drawdown letter Nov 2011   10/8/2015, 14:14

How the mighty have fallen!!
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