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 R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms

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Places Served : 11 Sigs Vimy 'C' Catterick Nov 1963), 224 (Radio) Sig Squadron Garrats Hey, Quorn Leics( Jan-June 1964), 16 Sigs Bradbury Barracks Krefeld July-Oct 1964), 28 (BR) Sigs St Tonis & 4 Squadron, Tongeren (Cafe Maddy) (1964-1968), HQ UNFICYP Nicosia 6 month tour (1966), HMS Jufair & Hamala Camp Bahrien, 223 Sig Sqn (Radio) Winchester, Norn Ireland, HQ Northag Kolsas Olso Norway, 11 Sigs Helles Lines Catterick, Civvy Street 1977, Retired (Grumpy Victor Meldrew 2012)
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PostSubject: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   19/10/2012, 10:44

Oh they were the days. Do any Bleeps on the Forum boards remember the 'old Days?' During the 1960s and 1970s operating in and running Comcens, Tape Halls, Tape Factories, On-Line One-Time-Tape Crypto equipment (ETCRM's??).

Oh what fun I seem to remember working in the 'Hole' at 16 Sigs, Bradbury Barracks under the RHQ offices. fun, fun, fun - carrying punched paper tape 'Murray' coded messages wrapped round one's neck from one end of the coms hall to the tape factory. Splitting tapes, and send them onward to the appropriate addressee. then there was working on the service desk with clipboards checking in every tape/message into the Comcen, then checking same out again, compiling stats and then doing the 'finals' at close of play each 24 hour period before it all started again for the new day at '00:001 HRS'.

The noise of old GPO Telex machines, and the quieter Siemens T100's. All the old electro-mechanical kit that was used in mainstream Military comms during those years. Breakdowns were a part of the 'embugerrance factor' we had to put up with. But those are distant memories, and I'm not sure just how reliable the kit was. I remember that new kit was trialed from time to time. From the old paper tape One-Time systems (ETCRM) we went over to the BID-610 on-line systems.

The exercises out in the field with battle conditions Comcens being set up in field locations with cables everywhere etc. All great fun, not. I just did not like going out on exercise, especially when we were on standby for 'Quick Train' (Snell Zug!!) I preferred working in the static Comcens.

It is curious why I am thinking of all this today as I type my 'Blah' on my Laptop to send it away into the ether to land up I know not where... wherever the Servers are located for this Website. I must not get too sentimental and weepy about the 'good old days', as I might spoil the taste of my morning coffee and cake. I must get out more and see the world a bit more often. I must not get like old Uncle Albert in "Only Fools & Horses".... "When I was in the woaaar!!"

Soon the old teleprinters etc were phased out, and the first screen & keyboard GPO type telex machine were brought in - yes even us Bleeps got to use them occasionally. Of course it was all changing in the late 1970s when I left the mob for civvy street to continue my working life as a Computer Operator working in IT for many years before retiring a few years ago

Sad Rolling Eyes .. time to go out for more coffee and cake. Must make a visit sometime soon down to the Corps Museum at 30 Sigs Blandford. It has been a good many years since I was down there last reminiscing amongst the exhibits, only problem it is a long drive down there from Colchester - Chelmsford area..... affraid .
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   19/10/2012, 13:12

Sounds like all the crap i put up with for four years..Sorting out the faults caused by hack handed comcen ops.. Laughing

The museum is at Blandford..but if you want 30 Sigs you will have to go to Bramcote,
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   20/10/2012, 03:02

Last time I worked tape was 644 Sigs Tp out in Xeros with the Danes. Sit Rep sent each night at 2359. Had to be proof read by the DanCon duty officer prior to being sent off. My back up key board had bullet holes in. Yep genuine bullet holes. It was ex-RAF equipment from a radar base that got shot up by the Greeks/Turks. When ever we had to prove it out, it was like each key worked on a slow hydraulic system. The C11 was in part stashed against the wall. All cable and radio relay. The other back up was C42 not the most reliable thing. The big advantage was the sigs room had to be air-conditioned to keep the equipment working. Drove the Brit techs mad that we qualified for that. To check out the land line a Greek tech was flown in by Helicopter seeing as we were in Turk territory. Also learned that, " Unwanted attention by Turks soldiers, was UN talk for rape". Interesting to say the least.


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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   22/10/2012, 16:14

VZCZC FBFWXF
ZNY RRRRR

lol

BT

worked RATT out of South Georgia and worked in Comcen Korbecke FBFWXF, can still remember it lol. Bloody shredder was a huge industrial thing that shook the building when you switched it on, worst job in the house.

BT








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Localisation : Essex UK
Cap Badge : R Sigs
Places Served : 11 Sigs Vimy 'C' Catterick Nov 1963), 224 (Radio) Sig Squadron Garrats Hey, Quorn Leics( Jan-June 1964), 16 Sigs Bradbury Barracks Krefeld July-Oct 1964), 28 (BR) Sigs St Tonis & 4 Squadron, Tongeren (Cafe Maddy) (1964-1968), HQ UNFICYP Nicosia 6 month tour (1966), HMS Jufair & Hamala Camp Bahrien, 223 Sig Sqn (Radio) Winchester, Norn Ireland, HQ Northag Kolsas Olso Norway, 11 Sigs Helles Lines Catterick, Civvy Street 1977, Retired (Grumpy Victor Meldrew 2012)
Registration date : 2012-07-15

PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   22/10/2012, 22:33

Yes, surprising I was speaking to a geezer a few weeks ago, retired now, who worked as a software engineer during the 1960s who was part of the development team who wrote the programs for the automatic computer controlled message switch system of the DTN network.

It was when I mentioned to him that I had been in the R Sigs, that he then spoke about his career in software development of packages for War Box back then (Now MoD).


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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   22/10/2012, 23:46

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software engineer during the 1960s

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Places Served : Falklands, Cyprus (UN), Belize, The Gambia, BAOR, York (UK), Air Support Brize Norton and TCW
Registration date : 2012-10-22

PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   23/10/2012, 10:49

Yes Gordon, software engineering as computers then were only tape readers and binary/logic devices. My father worked on some of these first computers, when one computer would take up the space of at least one floor of a big building.
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Localisation : Essex UK
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Places Served : 11 Sigs Vimy 'C' Catterick Nov 1963), 224 (Radio) Sig Squadron Garrats Hey, Quorn Leics( Jan-June 1964), 16 Sigs Bradbury Barracks Krefeld July-Oct 1964), 28 (BR) Sigs St Tonis & 4 Squadron, Tongeren (Cafe Maddy) (1964-1968), HQ UNFICYP Nicosia 6 month tour (1966), HMS Jufair & Hamala Camp Bahrien, 223 Sig Sqn (Radio) Winchester, Norn Ireland, HQ Northag Kolsas Olso Norway, 11 Sigs Helles Lines Catterick, Civvy Street 1977, Retired (Grumpy Victor Meldrew 2012)
Registration date : 2012-07-15

PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   23/10/2012, 12:59

Gordon. wrote:
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Ah, yes, they called themselves Programmers way back then.... my mistake.... The joyous days of punched IBM cards, paper tape and a 'bootstrap' on a computer was a paper tape used to input the basic boot/operating program, which in turn was used to load everything else...... I think, been years since I did any Cobol Programing when I left the forces in 1977 to do a 3 year college course in programing, computer studies and business studies to get an HND qualification...... Sleep Shocked
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Registration date : 2010-10-26

PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   23/10/2012, 13:51

Gordon. wrote:
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Thought everyone knew about them? Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   23/10/2012, 16:33

We didn`t have them at the School of Signals untill 1970
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   23/10/2012, 17:10

Girls !!
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   23/10/2012, 17:16

623TACP wrote:
VZCZC FBFWXF
ZNY RRRRR

lol

BT

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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   26/10/2012, 16:45

Brings back those memories of all the nights spent down the 'Hole'
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   26/10/2012, 23:06

Welcome Tezza...Nice to have another scaley on board...
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   27/10/2012, 07:28

Gordon. wrote:
Welcome Tezza...Nice to have another scaley on board...



Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   28/10/2012, 11:07

Just by chance came up with this site and Unclevanya's post after Googlin Bradbury Bks to see what is happening there. Fair amount in local Krefeld papers came up too. In some ways sad to see. In all managed two spells at 16 for my sins in both 1 and 2 Sqn.
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   28/10/2012, 12:38

Gordon. wrote:
Welcome Tezza...Nice to have another scaley on board...

What's the betting he's a Glaswegian ?
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   3/9/2013, 13:34

Hi Fellow Ops (Radio TG Cypher Comcen Etc.) & modern versions of.
I did a couple of years in 225 Signal Sqn (RADIO) we
had D11/R210 stations in Austin K9s these had a Siemens
T100 R in the truck and I remember the tapes &
RYR RYR RYR or RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYR
good fun to press "line feed" and repeat key to distant
Stn paper all over.
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   3/9/2013, 21:06

Welcome aboard. Lots of Artillery types on net with QRM. Guess you converted Wop to Tgop A2 .Very Happy Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   4/9/2013, 08:09

Paper tape, ah yes, good old 5 unit Murray Code.. there was a time when I could actually "read" that stuff, well at least some of it.

I worked in the Comcen at Munster from 1974 - 1977'ish.
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   4/9/2013, 16:51

We used paper tape (Murray Code) back in the 50's, was used to double encrypt outbound coded Typex messages, last time I used it was when attached to Aussie Signals in Kure, Japan in 1954.
NOW that was a posting.

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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   4/9/2013, 19:43

Ciphers what a grip . pale Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   5/9/2013, 08:13

Murray code (paper tape) was first used in 1901and was a modification of Baudot's code (1870)


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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   5/9/2013, 16:47

I knew that.Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 
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PostSubject: Re: R Sigs (Bleeps) - DTN, Punched Paper Tape & Comms   5/9/2013, 17:34

I knew THAT was coming
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