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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   18/3/2013, 14:21

He`s a drummer in some obscure unit...

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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   18/3/2013, 14:37

1st or 2nd Bn?
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   18/3/2013, 15:20

Its not the Leicestershire Regiment, their Bengal Tiger had the word Hindoostan (Hindustan) in an arc above the beast
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   18/3/2013, 17:26

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Royal Geomanry?

Early member of a Long Range Desert Group ( following Sudan Campaign) ???
But seriously, maybe some sort of "Dragoon Guards "..........

But going back to Brum's Victorian theory and using toes as well as fingers in advanced mathematics, I suppose it could be possible the uniform's Edwardian if Cipher's mate's dad was in his fifties at conception..........we've all had mid life scares !

So Len, more answers please ! Did your mate have an elderly father and does he know if his dad was a regular or in a Volunteer reserve outfit ?

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POSTSCRIPT......... as a possibe indication of the date of the photo,
it's recorded that the side hat ( the "Austrian Cap" ) was introduced into the Brit Army in 1896 and was withdrawn in 1902. Obviously, some may have been retained by units who had no intention of conforming, but they weren't around before 1896.. The headdress in khaki, associated with WW2, was reintroduced for all ranks in 1937. After the beret was adopted (1943 ?) commissioned ranks could acquire side caps at their own expense.

Looks like Brum had a point when he thought it might be around the end of the 19th Century. And is there any significance in that Austrian Knot ( or whatever) on the cuff of the sleeve ?
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 09:20

I wonder if there is a Hertfordshire (north London) connection. The emblem of the county is a Hert (deer), badge might be deer with crown over the antlers, either that it is a mythical beast (eg Sphynx)
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 10:29


Cast your eyes upon the belt buckle gents.
I was looking at the spot where somebody dropped a burger on the photo and (a) there's either scrolling or a letter "s" and (b) there's the outline of an animal - but not the same as on the collar badge.

I can't help but go down the same road as Bigjock. If he's a cadet ,and at some university or other, then I don't give much for our chances on this one.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 10:58

The "S" could be a snake or a Serpent? and i thought the animal could could have been a scull
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 12:36

brum wrote:

Cast your eyes upon the belt buckle gents.



Just been having a good squint at that, I can make out a persons face just to the right - it looks like Albert Einstein.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 12:38

I'll get me coat.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 13:53

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Cast your eyes upon the belt buckle gents.
I was looking at the spot where somebody dropped a burger on the photo and (a) there's either scrolling or a letter "s" and (b) there's the outline of an animal - but not the same as on the collar badge.

I can't help but go down the same road as Bigjock. If he's a cadet ,and at some university or other, then I don't give much for our chances on this one.

I've had a go at improving the image in Photoshop, as it's low resolution there is not much I could do but the belt buckle looks to me like a deer or a fox.

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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 14:55

Six English public schools had cadet contingents pre WW1..In 1914 they came under the wing of the War Office.None of them have badges anything like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   19/3/2013, 18:01

Sorry for the silence, I was waiting for a better photo from my pal .. this is the best I can get it.
The same figure is also on the belt buckle but does not show well on a 'post'.
He was definitely WW1 aged 20 in 1914, was at the battle of Passchendaele.

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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   20/3/2013, 09:04

Pity about th clarity of the shoulder titles, Len, but I'd put hard earned brass on the collar dog being a fox with a crown............. and that points to " Yeomanry" where the reserve regts were associated with and founded by the mounted huntin' & fishin' set.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   20/3/2013, 09:40

Ciphers

Thanks for the latest photo of " the collar dogs"

Agree that the beast looks like a fox, is it a crown imediately above the fox's head, if so this indicates a Royal Regiment, in this case possibly Royal XXXXX Yeomanry
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   20/3/2013, 14:48

[quote="JPW"]Ciphers

Thanks for the latest photo of " the collar dogs"

Agree that the beast looks like a fox, is it a crown imediately above the fox's head, if so this indicates a Royal Regiment,............. /quote]

If (If !) it is a crown, it could be something of less significance than a Royal topping........ something from the coat of arms of someone lower down the scale. And don't forget the "G" on the shoulder title.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   20/3/2013, 15:22

The belt buckle is a crown with an animal of some sort underneath.The legs look to long to be a fox.I can`t get the head clear enough to mean anything but could be a dear.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   20/3/2013, 19:47

it looks like a stag to me , on the buckle , i think its a scottish regt. ginger
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   20/3/2013, 20:23

Gordon. wrote:
The belt buckle is a crown with an animal of some sort underneath.The legs look to long to be a fox.I can`t get the head clear enough to mean anything but could be a dear.

Oh deer ! Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   20/3/2013, 22:29

Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   21/3/2013, 07:31

Gordon. wrote:
I can`t get the head clear enough to mean anything but could be a dear.




Your head?
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   21/3/2013, 08:13

That too. Laughing

Thought you would have legged it to your other home by now.
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   21/3/2013, 10:31

Mind your spelling, Gordon! Using the word 'dear' on the subject of boy soldiers could be misconstrued - then you might end up on the page concerning 'inappropriate behaviour by officers etc'!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   21/3/2013, 13:03

Gordon. wrote:
That too. Laughing

Thought you would have legged it to your other home by now.


Laughing Not until the 16th of April, flight departs 2235 and arrives Cyprus 0530hrs, but who's counting? Might have to get some Russian Roubles to see me through to Kyrenia! sunny sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   23/3/2013, 22:06

If you have his sevvice number and any details of service,Passcendal eand year may help,there is a faciliyi in Ancestry.com for WW1 records
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PostSubject: Re: Identification of Regt from WW1   24/3/2013, 01:52

Sorry to say that his don has given up the quest ... so lets just close up the thread, it was beginning to wander anyway.

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