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 Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces

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PostSubject: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   22/4/2013, 22:54

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The article below by the Canadian Press was buried in the back pages of the Liberal Waterloo Region Record on Sat 20 Apr 2013:

I find the use of the word "moniker" flippant and offensive.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   23/4/2013, 08:48

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Good to know that the traditional titles are returning but am I correct in thinking that the Royal prefixs to Regimental titles such as the Royal Canadian Dragoons or the Royal Canadian Regiment were never removed?

On a personal note I was in Cyprus in 1980 with the REME UN Workshops. We did a brisk trade in REME Stable Belts with our Canadian equivalents of the Land Odnance Repair Executive (LORE) a title detested by all concerned. CO's of the Battle Groups concerned (Lord Stratcona's Horse and 3 PPCLI)appeared to have no difficulty with the wearing of unauthorised items of uniform since their Regiments were doing the same (if challenged by higher authority, would claim that the mail system between Ottawa and Western Canada was notoriously unreliable).
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   23/4/2013, 16:37

Good to see a return to traditional titles and the separation of the various branches of the Armed Forces. I believe the all one colour system was never popular amongst the Canadian Servicemen and women.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   23/4/2013, 17:02

We got our stable belts (RC Sigs) from the the Royal Sigs Tp attached to 50th Missile Regt R.A. in Menden (in the 60's). We were attached to 1 SSM Bty RCA, RC Sigs Section. Man did we pi&& of the Staff Sgt. in 2 RCHA RC Sigs Tp. Our dress was wool sweater/B.D. jacket and bush pants. Yeah he was pi**ed.

I only ever had a Meat Head (MP) question me once in Cyprus in 76 for wearing it. I guess my ignoring him must have worked. Never heard any more about it. But then being attached out to the Danes might have had some thing to do with it.

Even though I remustered shortly after to the Cook trade, it's good to see that Comms has been reinstated as Royal Canadian Corp of Signals.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   24/4/2013, 20:40

Minister MacKay delivers keynote address at Canadian Club and announces the Restoration of historic identities of Canadian Army Corps
NR 13.110 - April 19, 2013

TORONTO, ON – In a keynote address at the Canadian Club of Toronto today, the Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence, announced that the Government of Canada has restored the historical names of five Canadian Army corps, in addition to changing the title of another organization.

Minister MacKay’s speech, entitled “The Heritage and Future of the Canadian Armed Forces”, focused on the Government's investments in the Canadian Armed Forces, the Defence portfolio’s relationship with Canadian business and the impact of Defence spending in Canadian communities.

“I am proud to say that since 2006, this Government has embarked on a “decade of delivery” for the Canadian Armed Forces, delivering the equipment, the infrastructure and the personnel support that these men and women need,” said Minister MacKay.

The announcement of the restoration of historical names for Canadian Army corps is the next step in the phased approach begun in August 2011, when the historical name of the Canadian Army was restored.

“Our country continues to ask a great deal of our soldiers. Our government is committed to honouring their actions, heritage and sacrifices,” said Minister MacKay. “Restoring these historic identities is an important way of reconnecting today’s men and women in uniform with the proud history and traditions they carry with them as members of the Canadian Army.”

The historical designations of the following corps have been restored:

· Royal Canadian Armoured Corps;

· The Corps of Royal Canadian Engineers;

· Royal Canadian Corps of Signals;

· Royal Canadian Infantry Corps; and

· The Corps of Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers.

The new title of the Canadian Army Military Police Group has also been adopted by the previous Land Force Military Police Group.

These and other heritage changes are being phased in over the next year as Canada and its military prepares to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the First World War and the 75th anniversary of the Second World War.

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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   26/4/2013, 14:09

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Pursuing the thread and the post by Hardrations about Peter Mackay's address, please be advised that Prince Philip is in Toronto today to meet with the Premier of Ontario and he will also present new colors to the 3rd Bn of the Royal Canadian Regt. Prince Philip has been the Col -in-Chief of the RCR since 1953.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   26/4/2013, 17:25

Colonel in Chief since 1953 .. whats the betting he applies for the CD (Canadian Decoration) while he is here, to go along with his other collection ... Greek Victory Medal ... WTF

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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 00:32

I think both him and Prince Charles have the C.D. I think I've spotted it in his rack.

PS: 3rd Bn. RCR formerly the 2nd Cdn Guards. I was in CFB Petawawa for their last colors parade. Then change over to 3rd RCR. The joke went that by the 2nd Cdn Guards becoming 3 RCR finaly got battle honours by taking over a militia battalions spot.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 06:26

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Greek Victory Medal

Is a WW1 medal, so i doubt if he has it . He does however have the "Greek War Cross of Valour" as well as a MID.

"""After leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy, graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, as the top cadet in his course.During World War II, he continued to serve in the British forces, while two of his brothers-in-law, Prince Christopher of Hesse and Berthold, Margrave of Baden, fought on the opposing German side. He was commissioned as a midshipman in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies, protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean, followed by shorter postings on HM Ships Kent, Shropshire and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). After the invasion of Greece by Italy in October 1940, he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet. Among other engagements, he was involved in the Battle of Crete, and was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan, in which he controlled the battleship's searchlights.
Philip was also awarded the Greek War Cross of Valour. Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia. He was promoted to sub-lieutenant after a series of courses at Portsmouth in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections of the qualifying examination. In June 1942, he was appointed to the V and W class destroyer and flotilla leader, HMS Wallace, which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the allied invasion of Sicily. Promotion to lieutenant followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace, at 21 years old one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. During the invasion of Sicily, in July 1943, as second in command of HMS Wallace, he saved his ship from a night bomber attack. He devised a plan to launch a raft with smoke floats that successfully distracted the bombers allowing the ship to slip away unnoticed. In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla. He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to the United Kingdom on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur, the Petty Officers' School in Corsham, Wiltshire.
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I think he`s done his bit....
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 06:44

[quote]I think both him and Prince Charles have the C.D








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If he has been C in C since 1953, he should have four bars to it...(tic) Laughing

Charles as C In C to half a dozen Canadian regiments should also have it.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 06:51

Here we go .. its not what you know, its who you know

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Commonwealth of Nations honours

Commonwealth realms
Appointments
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England 19 November 1947 – Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter[W 1] KG[7]
British Commonwealth 10 June 1948 – 6 February 1952 Personal Aide-de-Camp to His Majesty The King[W 2] AdC(P)
United Kingdom 4 November 1951 – Lord of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council PC
Scotland 21 April 1952 – Extra Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle[W 3] KT
United Kingdom 22 May 1953 – Grand Master and First and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire[W 4] GBE
Canada 14 October 1957 – Privy Councillor of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada PC
Commonwealth realms 10 June 1968 Member of the Order of Merit[W 5] OM
New Zealand 15 November 1981 Extra Companion of the Queen's Service Order[W 6] QSO
Australia 13 June 1988 – Companion of the Order of Australia[W 7] AC
Papua New Guinea 2005 – Royal Chief of the Order of Logohu GCL[8]
New Zealand 4 June 2012 Additional Member of the Order of New Zealand ONZ[9]
Canada 26 April 2013 Extraordinary Companion of the Order of Canada CC[10]
Canada 26 April 2013 Commander of the Order of Military Merit CMM
Decorations and medals
Country Date Decoration Post-nominal letters
British Commonwealth 1937 King George VI Coronation Medal[W 8]
United Kingdom 1945 1939–1945 Star[W 8]
United Kingdom 1945 Atlantic Star[W 8]
United Kingdom 1945 Africa Star[W 8]
United Kingdom 1945 Burma Star, with Pacific clasp[W 8]
United Kingdom 1945 Italy Star[W 8]
United Kingdom 1945 1939-45 War Medal, with Mentioned in Despatches oak leaf[W 8]
British Commonwealth 2 June 1953 Queen Elizabeth II Coronation Medal[W 8]
Commonwealth realms 1977 Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal[W 8]
Canada 1982 Canadian Forces Decoration, with Four Bars[W 8] CD[11][12]
New Zealand 1990 New Zealand 1990 Commemoration Medal[W 8]
Commonwealth realms 2002 Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal[W 8]
Saskatchewan 2005 Commemorative Medal for the Centennial of Saskatchewan
Commonwealth realms 2007 Royal Victorian Chain[W 9]
Commonwealth realms 2012 Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal[W 8] (both the British and Canadian versions)
[edit]Other Commonwealth countries
Appointments
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Zanzibar 1963 – Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star
Maldives 13 March 1972 – Member of the Most Distinguished Order of Izzuddin
Singapore 1972 – Honorary Member of the Darjah Utama Temasek DUT(1)
Brunei 1972 – Member First Class of the Esteemed Royal Family Order
Decorations
Country Date Decoration Post-nominal letters
Brunei 1992 Sultan of Brunei Silver Jubilee Medal
Malta 1992 Malta George Cross Fiftieth Anniversary Medal[W 8]
[edit]Foreign honours

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Greece 1941 – Knight Commander with Swords of the Order of Saints George and Constantine with collar KSGC
Greece 1947 – Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Redeemer GCR
Denmark 16 November 1947 – Knight of the Order of the Elephant RE
Greece 1950 – 1975[N 2] Knight Grand Cross with Swords of the Order of George I GCGI
Greece 1950 – Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Phoenix GCP
Monaco 1951 – Knight Grand Cross of the Order of St. Charles
Norway 1952 – Grand Cross with Collar of the Royal Norwegian Order of Saint Olav
Panama 29 November 1953 – Grand Cross of the Order of Manuel Amador Guerrero
Sweden 1954 – Knight of the Royal Order of the Seraphim RSerafO
Ethiopia 1954 – Grand Cross with Chain of the Order of the Queen of Sheba
Portugal 1955 – Order of the Tower and Sword GCTE
Iraq 1956 – Member First Class of the Order of King Faisal I
France 9 April 1957 – Grand Cross of the National Order of the Legion of Honour
Italy 1958 – Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Merit of the Republic
Netherlands 26 March 1958 – Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Netherlands Lion
Germany 1958 – Member First Class of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany
Nepal 1960 – Grand Cross of the Order of Ojaswi Rajanya
Finland 1961 – Commander Grand Cross of the Order of the White Rose SVR SR
Tunisia 1961 – Grand Cordon of the Order of Independence
Liberia 23 November 1961 – Knight Grand Band of the Order of the Star of Africa
Colombia 1962 – Grand Cross Extraordinary of the Order of Boyaca
Ecuador 1962 – Grand Cross of the National Order of Merit
Peru 1962 – Grand Cross in Brilliants of the Order of the Sun
Bolivia 1962 – Grand Cross of the Order of the Condor of the Andes
Chile 1962 – Collar of the Grand Cross of the Order of Merit
Brazil 1962 – Grand Cross of the National Order of the Southern Cross
Paraguay 1962 – Grand Cross Extraordinary of the National Order of Merit
Argentina 1962 – Grand Cross of the Order of the Liberator General San Martin
Belgium 1963 – Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold
Iceland 1963 – Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Falcon
Mexico 1964 – Collar of the Order of the Aztec Eagle
Jordan 1966 – Grand Cordon of the Supreme Order of the Renaissance
United States 1968 – Grand Commander of the Order of Maritime Merit of the San Francisco Port Authority
Afghanistan 1971 – Member First Class of the Order of the Supreme Sun
Japan 1971 – Grand Cordon of the Supreme Order of the Chrysanthemum
Luxembourg 1972 – Knight of the Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau
Yugoslavia 19 October 1972 – 1992 Yugoslav Great Star of the Order of the Yugoslav Star
Zaire 1973 – Grand Cordon of the National Order of the Leopard
Portugal 31 May 1973 – Grand Collar of the Order of the Infante Dom Henrique GCIH
Netherlands 1979 – Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the Golden Ark
Oman 27 February 1979 – Member First Class of the Military Order of Oman
Qatar 22 February 1979 – Collar of the Order of Independence
Portugal 14 August 1979 – Grand Cross of the Order of Aviz GCA
Morocco 29 October 1980 – Member Special Class of the Order of the Mohammediya
Spain 19 October 1986 – Grand Cross of the Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Carlos III
Poland 1991 – Grand Cordon of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland
Portugal 27 April 1993 – Grand Cross of the Order of Christ (Portugal) GCC
United Arab Emirates 2010 – Order of the Federation[13]
Saudi Arabia 2010 ? – Member of the Distinguished First Class of the King Abdul Aziz Order of Merit[14]
Decorations
Country Date Decoration Post-nominal letters
Greece 1945 Greek War Cross[W 8]
France 1945 Croix de Guerre with Palm[W 8]
Sudan 1964 Decoration of the Republic, First Class
Austria 1966 Decoration for Service to the Republic of Austria, Grand Star
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 07:23

Mr. Wiki is a great source of information Len Laughing

I missed the 1940 version Embarassed Dont say what class he got..Bet it`s a first.

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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 09:13

I knew I had an affinity with HRH The Next King - he hasn't got a Rootie Gong either. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 10:57

That CD thingy is much the same.... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   27/4/2013, 13:57

We use to call the C.D. the RCAF medal as that's about all they every earned in peace time. Until computers came along many Army fella's never applied for it. In 73 our Sqn Sgt Major had a stack of them in his office to present. We all sat in a classroom, had a nice talk from the C.O. and then got our C.D. One of the best medal parades I was on. Means I can sign my name, " Hardrations C.D." Haven't started yet. Oh yeah, I got my bar in the mail, another good parade that was. Had the postie do a march past for me in the drive way. Took me 22 years of undetected crime to get it. The Governor General of Canada gets one on first day of appointment.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   28/4/2013, 00:12

I liked the green uniform,never mind the RCAF and RCN being peed off they never had scratchy old battledress.
Now for the musical chairs or regiments,I was in Camp Petawawa when 3 PPCLI came back from Korea and became 2 Cdn Guards,3RCR became 1 Cdn Guards.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   28/4/2013, 11:24

There was a short clip of the 3 RCR Colours Ceremony on this morning on Sky News

Unusually HRH was in civilian clothes not uniform, a smart panama hat (with Regimental Colours band partially disguised a black eye)
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   28/4/2013, 19:01

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This thread continues to spin out of control at warp speed.



The picture above was taken by Nathan Denette, of The Canadian Press and appeared in the Waterloo Region Record on Sat April
27,2013 with the following caption:
Medal Presentation
Prince Philip , the Duke of Edinburgh (right), receives the Order of Military Merit from Governor David Johnson in Ottawa on Friday
(April 26, 2013)

My apologies for my inability to get the proper resizing of the picture with Photobucket.
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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   1/5/2013, 04:45

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The following article by the Canadian Press appeared in the Waterloo Region Record, Kitchener, ON on Sat 27 Apr 2013.

The picture below was taken by Dave Thomas of the Toronto Sun on 27 Apr 2013 at Queen's Park, Toronto.


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PostSubject: Re: Some Military Revisionism for the Canadian Forces   6/5/2013, 22:38

http://www.calgaryherald.com/travel/From+prehistoric+spear+points+modern+Howitzers+Canadas+artillery/8309787/story.html

I know Bob that we're pushing the envelope, but seeing as this has to do with herbie (RCA) things, I thought I would post it in here for you.
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