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PostSubject: Still flying the Banner ?   21/11/2013, 11:13

I bet you lads who were caught up in the Troubles have been really chuffed this week. First of all there's talk of dropping all on-going investigations into unsolved bombings and the like, now, tonight, the BBC are pushing out a Panorama prog. which exposes the activities of an undercover military unit, one which apparently operated in the same manner as the opposition, tore up the yellow card and dealt out a bit of instant justice on behalf of the good guys.

At least, that's how I interpret the trailer pushed out on the Beeb this morning. They don't say "good guys" of course, that'd show bias, but they do say the police are now in possession of allegations of illegal activity. Stand by for another enquiry to line the pockets of the legal fraternity. When they've finally dealt with the Bloody Sunday thing of course.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   22/11/2013, 07:39

What is this one about? Northern Ireland perchance?
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   22/11/2013, 07:54

What else..Rolling Eyes 
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   22/11/2013, 07:58

I thought so, I was there in Londonderry in 72 and in Belfast/Lisbon 73. This shit will be dragged on forever sadly.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   22/11/2013, 09:25

This is politically correct nonsense, it's all one way and I'm sick to death of it. In order to appease the nationalist community provos were handed immunity from prosecution and known terrorists were given positions of power in government. The good Friday agreement saw 321 murderers released from prison, the vast majority of whom were serving life sentences for multiple murder. Yet we've seen two enquiries into the actions of the army in Londonderry in 1972, and now it seems yet another inquiry into army activities is looming because the government feel they have to bend over backwards in order to appease nationalists.

When are we going to see an inquiry into the murders of 700 soldiers and 2000 civilians killed by the IRA?
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   22/11/2013, 09:42

Wilf wrote:
This is politically correct nonsense, it's all one way and I'm sick to death of it. In order to appease the nationalist community provos were handed immunity from prosecution and known terrorists were given positions of power in government. The good Friday agreement saw 321 murderers released from prison, the vast majority of whom were serving life sentences for multiple murder. Yet we've seen two enquiries into the actions of the army in Londonderry in 1972, and now it seems yet another inquiry into army activities is looming because the government feel they have to bend over backwards in order to appease nationalists.

When are we going to see an inquiry into the murders of 700 soldiers and 2000 civilians killed by the IRA?
I cannot agree more.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   30/11/2013, 18:16

Wilf wrote:
This is politically correct nonsense, it's all one way and I'm sick to death of it. In order to appease the nationalist community provos were handed immunity from prosecution and known terrorists were given positions of power in government. The good Friday agreement saw 321 murderers released from prison, the vast majority of whom were serving life sentences for multiple murder. Yet we've seen two enquiries into the actions of the army in Londonderry in 1972, and now it seems yet another inquiry into army activities is looming because the government feel they have to bend over backwards in order to appease nationalists.

When are we going to see an inquiry into the murders of 700 soldiers and 2000 civilians killed by the IRA?
NEVER don't you know that NEVER EVER:
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   1/12/2013, 10:23

"john boy" wrote:
Wilf wrote:
This is politically correct nonsense, it's all one way and I'm sick to death of it. In order to appease the nationalist community provos were handed immunity from prosecution and known terrorists were given positions of power in government. The good Friday agreement saw 321 murderers released from prison, the vast majority of whom were serving life sentences for multiple murder. Yet we've seen two enquiries into the actions of the army in Londonderry in 1972, and now it seems yet another inquiry into army activities is looming because the government feel they have to bend over backwards in order to appease nationalists.

When are we going to see an inquiry into the murders of 700 soldiers and 2000 civilians killed by the IRA?
NEVER don't you know that NEVER EVER:
That is a for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   1/12/2013, 19:28

The terrorists killers should still be brought to justice, our lads were doing their job.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   1/12/2013, 21:06

It's the same in all types of crimes civilian or military those committing the crime invariably get away with it those trying to prevent the crime and act accordingly within the rules so to speak are the one's that are persecuted because the villains say the were badly treated but now most of the time its their human right that have be breached for some crappy reason.It's all a load of B****S. there's two blokes the army didn't get and we now pay their wages as Members of Parliament though they refuse to sit in Westminster don't need to say their names you know who they are .
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   2/12/2013, 04:27

"john boy" wrote:
It's the same in all types of crimes civilian or military those committing the crime invariably get away with it those trying to prevent the crime and act accordingly within the rules so to speak are the one's that are persecuted because the villains say the were badly treated but now most of the time its their human right that have be breached for some crappy reason.It's all a load of B****S. there's two blokes the army didn't get and we now pay their wages as Members of Parliament though they refuse to sit in Westminster don't need to say their names you know who they are .
Their turn will come I am sure of that.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   2/12/2013, 10:32

Eric England wrote:
john boy wrote:
It's the same in all types of crimes civilian or military those committing the crime invariably get away with it those trying to prevent the crime and act accordingly within the rules so to speak are the one's that are persecuted because the villains say the were badly treated but now most of the time its their human right that have be breached for some crappy reason.It's all a load of B****S. there's two blokes the army didn't get  and we now pay their wages as Members of Parliament though they refuse to sit in Westminster don't need to say their names you know who they are .
Their turn will come I am sure of that.
There is one "gentleman" from NI who was "never" in the IRA who is now a Sinn Fein TD (MP) in the Irish Republic. He left his post as an MP . He is not paid by the Brits. Another"gentleman" who MAY have been in the IRA, who is Deputy something or other in Northern Ireland and who must be getting some payment from the Brits.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   2/12/2013, 10:37

Chemist wrote:
Eric England wrote:
john boy wrote:
It's the same in all types of crimes civilian or military those committing the crime invariably get away with it those trying to prevent the crime and act accordingly within the rules so to speak are the one's that are persecuted because the villains say the were badly treated but now most of the time its their human right that have be breached for some crappy reason.It's all a load of B****S. there's two blokes the army didn't get  and we now pay their wages as Members of Parliament though they refuse to sit in Westminster don't need to say their names you know who they are .
Their turn will come I am sure of that.
There is one "gentleman" from NI who was "never" in the IRA who is now a Sinn Fein TD (MP) in the Irish Republic. He left his post as an MP . He is not paid by the Brits. Another"gentleman" who MAY have been in the IRA, who is Deputy something or other in Northern Ireland and who must be getting some payment from the Brits.
I am not sure what your are trying to put across with this.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   2/12/2013, 11:03

The point was made to update the situation. Northern Irish MLAs are paid by the British Government.
The Irish Republic pay their TDs. Neither of these "gentlemen" is a Member of Parliament (MP)


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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   2/12/2013, 11:28

I got around to watching the programme last night.
We knew the MRF existed when we were there, we even had the odd member running around with us occasionally.
Full marks to the blokes being interviewed, they spoke frankly.
As usual the interviewer was a pain in the armhole, driving home the point that the MRF were shooting "unarmed civilians". Paddy was hardly likely to stand waving a gun around, lets face it.
Sadly there were innocent people killed but there was no mention of the innocents that were killed by the IRA, thousands of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   2/12/2013, 17:26

Don't know if its relevant but the CO of the Paras Major Ted Loden who was in the 'Bloody Sunday' fray was killed a couple of months back in Kenya.  Loden was shot and killed during a suspected attempted robbery. At the time he was visiting his son, James, who is head of security for Barclays Africa.

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PostSubject: Re: Still flying the Banner ?   2/12/2013, 17:44

I think that sums it up perfectly, Brum. The media put whatever slant they they wish on these things.
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