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PostSubject: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   16/2/2017, 20:22

Can any help with details of this company 1945-46 please?
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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   17/2/2017, 08:17

Welcome

Have listed on the 30 Corps District Order of Battle for 18 June 1945

Two Platoons 719 Artisan Works Company

Not recorded from 8 July 1945 onwards and as yet unable to confirm a location
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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   17/2/2017, 09:14

Many thanks for the lead.

My relative's father , a L/Sgt in this unit, left BAOR on 16 June 1946 for the UK and demob.
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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   17/2/2017, 13:07

Strange that only shows two platoons and does not appear later, unless I have missed, promise to update if more detail turns up
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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   17/2/2017, 13:26

Thanks Steve your interest is apreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   Yesterday at 00:00

Elsewhere on this site there is well written cover of the subjects of MSO, GSO recruiting, tasking and employment areas:

http://bfg-locations.editboard.com/t701-mixed-civilian-labour-groups

one explanation by Bobg dated   Jul 2012    and a second by Steve (Cuxhaven)  also  dated  Jul 12.

My research shows there were artisan works groups RE in admin tail of the 21 Army Group advance in to Germany to make and mend accn as the columns moved forward.  The core personnel used and oversaw local german tradesmen doing the emergency running repairs (cutting off gas leaks, repairing power damages and water pipe bursts etc) or preparing buildings to be used by the Town Resident (fore runner of the Liaison officers) and the District Officers RE and Pioneer Corps recruiters. .  Eventually when the movements ceased and peace broke out  the (Royal 1946)  Pioneer Corps started recruiting local civilian labour  to  work alongside troops making major repairs to roads and barracks, driving trucks, and labouring. Somewhere there is a complete hierarchy of all the units raised courtesy of the (R)PC in theatre.

In addition the Ministry of Works (1962 MPBW) came from England to lend expertise and carry responsibility for repair and maint of captured offices, houses, residences, barracks, airfields, especially as a specialist point of contact within Control Commission for Germany (BR Sector).  
Min of Wks had to agree for materials to be expended from local or supplied from UK resource.
Tasks passed to RE were carried out by local labour resources and supervised by Regular Officers and SNCOs.  So even when Pioneer Corps recruited Civilian uniformed Work Groups they quickly took on Corps affiliaton/identities.

Sennelager Range was maintained (during the 4 week maintenance close down) by a 256 MCPG RE which were originally based in Krefeld. MCPG and MCAG personnel lived in Barracks! and had tasks throughout BAOR (see link below vis-a-vis Reinsehlen Camp).

During the Cold War, in Germany, there was an Entire Engineering group based in Willich near Düsseldorf (40 Regt RE?) called the Military Civilian Plant & Engineering group that had a similar large scale Engineering, Plant and Support role for British Army of the Rhine. Each Command Plant Troop was commanded by an RE Major supported by a Military Plant Foreman.
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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   Yesterday at 11:40

Pborn. Many thanks for the interesting and very helpful response. The description of the labour tasks and force fits with my man's testimonial on his Notification of impending release form.


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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   Yesterday at 16:36

During the Cold War, in Germany, there was an Entire Engineering group based in Willich near Düsseldorf (40 Regt RE?) called the Military Civilian Plant & Engineering group that had a similar large scale Engineering, Plant and Support role for British Army of the Rhine. Each Command Plant Troop was commanded by an RE Major supported by a Military Plant Foreman.

Thanks Pborn3

I served in 40 Army Support Regiment 75-77 and put together the following

http://bfg-locations.editboard.com/t2296-short-history-of-the-royal-engineers-in-willich#36117
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PostSubject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE   Yesterday at 19:12

Thanks
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