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PostSubject: Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo   Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Icon_minitime2/6/2019, 16:14

Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Unadju11
Hello everyone and thank you for allowing me to join.

I am researching my family history and would like to identify the unit shown on this photo, which is a cropped version of the original.

I have the original version of this photo which may be of further interest to other members should anyone wish to see it.

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PostSubject: Re: Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo   Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Icon_minitime2/6/2019, 17:49

Amazing piece of post WW2 history
127th (Highland) Field Regiment of Headquarters Royal Artillery 51st (Highland) Infantry Division were in Nampcel Kaserne later Sheil Barracks from 9 Nov 45 to disbandment/suspended animation in Mar 46, therefore this photo was taken before Mar 46

Headquarters Royal Engineers 51st (Highland) Infantry Division
9 Jul 45 – Gibraltar (Kavallerie) Kaserne later Gibraltar Barracks Verden
17 Jun 45 – 239 Field Park Company with 16 Bridging Platoon arrived
21 Jul 45 – 276 Field Company arrived

Hope this helps, would appreciate a copy of this photo, will send a private message

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PostSubject: Re: Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo   Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Icon_minitime3/6/2019, 09:00

Thanks AJK for sending the image can confirm your uncle's unit is 239 Field Park Company (being pointed out), prior to Verden the unit was in Beckdorf south-east of Harsefeld, Landkreis Stade, this photo would have been taken on Lindhooper Strasse just before the entrance to Caithness Barracks that appears to have formerly been named Alamein Barracks, have an interest having served in Verden 67 to 69, thanks again


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PostSubject: Re: Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo   Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Icon_minitime19/6/2019, 20:21

If I am not wrong: Alamein Barracks is mentioned here for the first time in the connection with Verden?
Is there any information when the name Caithness Barracks was first used?
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PostSubject: Re: Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo   Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Icon_minitime20/6/2019, 09:42

Thanks to JPW have a copy of a BAOR document: Renaming of German Barracks dated 16 Feb 46

The following were suggested for Verden

Nampcel = Perth (ended up Sheil)
Kolberg (should read Dettingen and Kolberg) = Caithness
Gibraltar = Port George (remained Gibraltar BTW the only known German Kaserne with a British name)
Dottingen? or Bottingen?....poor quality of the scan = Sterling (not sure this could be Cluvental Barracks where the mobile homes were in the 1960s)

Evidence shows that unit commanders were applying their own choice of name and HQ BAOR was trying to reorganise things, initially counties and towns but later notable personal too


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PostSubject: Re: Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo   Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Icon_minitime20/6/2019, 20:26

Thank you for indicating the date when the barracks were renamed.

Until the 1930s the three barracks in Verden had no proper name, they were named after the streets where they were situated (Lindhooper Street, Brunnenweg, Holzmarkt). The C.O. and later General Walther von Seydlitz announced the renaming on 4 June 1938.

Dettingen barracks (Caithness), consisted of two parts, the older one in western direction reminds of the battle at Dettingen near Aschaffenburg/Bavaria on 27 June 1743, at which in the Austrian War of Succession Hanoverians and British troops were opposing the French. The newer eastern part, built in 1935 -1937, was given the name Kolberg Barracks in memory of the defence of the town of Kolberg in Pomerania against the French troops in 1807.
Caithness was completed by further buildings: 1955/1956 Globe Cinema, 1968 Churchill School and 1977/1978 a building for the Sergeants (?) Mess.

The Infantry Barracks on Brunnenweg (Sheil), built 1935 - 1937, was named Nampcel Barracks in memory of the battles of a local infantry regiment in World War I at Nampcel/Aisne (France) in September 1914.


The Holzmarkt barracks were given the name Gibraltar barracks.
This name was to commemorate the victorious defence of the fortress of Gibraltar by English and Hanoverian troops from 1779 - 1783. The Elector of Hanover was in personal union king of England, so that in this way the troops of these countries fought together.
Today a commemorative plaque on the building remembers the (german) units stationed here, including the 51 (H) Div. Royal Engineers.

Cluvental: not a barracks in the real sense. There were three five-storey Wehrmacht storehouses, built in 1938, to provide food for people (members of the Wehrmacht) and animals (horses!).
On 1 March 1962 the Ministry of Defence had five mobile homes (Bluebird Caravans) for married officers of the 1st Signal Regiment set up in the Cluvental.
The British army used one of the buildings in the 1960s to store furniture, including equipment for the Married Quarters. From 1987, the Bundeswehr was based in the Cluvental (Verteidigungskreiskommando 254 = Defense District Command), which had previously resided in the Gibraltar barracks (from 1959). In September 1990 the building in the Cluvental was renamed "Aller Kaserne", but the unit was dissolved in September 1994.

Thus the more than 300 years old history of Verden as a garrison town ended, after the British army had already left at the end of 1993.
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Thank you for an excellent account

Regarding Cluvental Barracks the mobile homes were for other ranks by 1967, on Christmas Day 1967 I was on shift (Signals Despatch Service) in the Communications Centre in Sheil Barracks, the shift corporal was living with his family in one of the mobile homes and we left the barracks in the military Hillman Husky to have Christmas dinner, good job the Russians did not attack that day!

Do you know where Cluvental Barracks was, as I cannot remember but recall the high buildings, in my BAOR research post VE Day up to 1 Mar 49 have found Thief Barracks in Verden, home to various REME Workshops and Light Aid Detachments, the grid reference points to the Lessingstrasse/Agnes-Miegel-Strasse area.
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PostSubject: Re: Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo   Verden Units Royal Engineers - old family photo Icon_minitime21/6/2019, 18:17

Thief Barracks doesn't ring a bell.

On Google Maps you will find "Cluvental" with the following data: Verden, Clueversweg.

One block of the three storehouses was blown up many years ago (this was not possible until the second attempt, the material was too solid!). Nowadays one of the blocks is used by a biscuit factory as a warehouse (Verdener Keks- und Waffelfabrik Hans Freitag). The Technisches Hilfswerk (THW = Technical Relief Organisation) is located on the remaining site (former Aller Kaserne of the Bundeswehr).

One more remark about the mobile homes: Due to the housing shortage for married soldiers, further mobile homes were set up at Brunnenweg in the mid-1960s, on an undeveloped area, near the road, just left of the entrance to Sheil Barracks.
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