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 SLR / SA80 or M16!

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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   2/9/2010, 16:25

I trained on the SLR/SMG/LMG when I first joined and subsequently used these weapons whilst in BAOR/BFG with 6 Ord Bn. Converted to SA80 A1/LSW/GPMG and found all but the GPMG to be a little tacky. The upgraded A2 was a vast improvement and was suitable for jungle/desert conditions. The SLR did not, in my opinion require more ammo however the same amount of ball was heavier due to the size/weight ratio of the 7.62 round. Accuracy was never an issue on either weapon. The SLR was an accurate rifle (which most long barelled weapons tend to be) especially when kitted up with the SUIT sight. The SA80 was excellent when the SUSAT was used and with iron sights was an awful weapon to trail around with.

The LMG had its drawbacks. Magazine fed, the 30 rounds went through the weapon far too fast and it was a bliss when support arms got the GPMS with a better ratio of fire and belt fed making it a versatile and effective weapon. Suppresive fire with the LMG was impossible - with the GPMSG an ease.

The M16 had more disadvantages than advantages. I have used the M4 (the shorter version which is in use with US front line troops) and it is, in its M4 variant, a good weapon however, I would rather have the SA80 as it is shorter and more use in CQB which, sadly we all tend to be involved in over in Afghanistan nowadays.

The 9mm Browning was great fun to use and will be/has been superseded by the SIG - much superior and far more accurate.
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   2/9/2010, 16:42

.303 and SLR here, managed to avoid touching any weapons for the lst 5 or 6 years of my service.

Have you heard of the RAOC board?
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   2/9/2010, 16:57

Yes Jim, I pop into there every so often but don't post much. I've gone completely off ARRSE and tend to lurk and watch a little more than I post.

The reason I like the look of this place is the fact I loved BAOR and BFG - best time of my life!
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   3/9/2010, 09:04

Oh I'd agree with that, mind I liked Canada, Cyprus and Hong Kong as well. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   3/9/2010, 12:09

Well Martin, you have not posted on RAOConLine since 2007! and its time you did LoL the RAOC board is what you make it, and if you enjoyed BAOR then post a few threads on it and see what comes up. We have a number RLC lads who lurk, and it would be nice to get a up to date prospective.

I am the webmaster over at RAOConLine and since this year have become the caretaker webmaster here as well.

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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   3/9/2010, 15:53

Is it really 2007 - gosh, I was still in then albeit in the AGC.

It is a good resource and I would like to bump back into a few lads I knew back then however things took a turn when I was med discharged in late 2007 and I shunned many sites I used to go on to.

I think it is very true what they say - When a choice is made for you and you have no input then you resent the choice for whatever it is worth - that was very true for my part. Now, I have come to terms with the injury and subsequent discharge and may just pop back in to see what and who is lurking over there.

On a pleasant note - I received my RAOC gazette the other week and have been thinking of attending a meeting or two....
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   3/9/2010, 17:47

RAOConLine has its AGM/Dinner at Kineton next month. PM me if you are interested! since you are a Fellowship member - Jim is also going.

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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   6/9/2010, 10:21

Yes it'd be nice to meet up Martin, and it's one hell of a do, believe me. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   25/9/2010, 17:39

I trained, as a boy soldier, on the Lee Enfield 303 then we were later issued with the SLR which was a fine weapon. Later on as armored crewman we got the Stirling which is my personal favorite. Incidentally some troops in Afghanistan are being issued with something similar to the SLR because the SA80 is too short range for the type of engagements there.
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   25/9/2010, 17:57

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By the end of the 50's after the governments white paper on the armed forces the whole face of the British forces had to change. A complete new army with new kit and weapons. My dad served with the 'Kings Royal Rifle Corps' back in 38-46 and he had things like 303, bren Gun, BD and so on. Any of you remember the old 1 ton Austin, or the Ford or the Jeep, I don't, and I joined in the early 60's. For training we had a go on a brengun, but the 7.62 one. Our foe was another, less well trained than the WW2 German forces and less well equipt, but more of them. NATO decided to get its act together and have one native round, which could be used by all forces with the size being fixed to 7.62x51mm. The idea of a lighter portable 'Brenn' was produced. The Belgium national weapons factory (Fabrique Nationale) at Herstal, Belgium came up with the first FN automatic combat refile. The first army to be equipt with such a weapon was the German army with the new G1—FN FAL in the mid 50's. By the end of the 50's much of the world forces bought the FN. Britain, under licence produced a FN FAL-L1A1 and called it L1A1, but to most of us the SLR. The most prominent change from the original FAL, was that the British L1A1 operated only in semi-automatic mode. By the mid 60's some units in the British army was issued with the L2A1 which had a 30 round mag and legs and would fire in automatic mode. The 'Brenn' was replaced with the GPMG which is still in use today. Most of us who fired the L2A1 thought that this weapon was to stay on issue to the British army for a long time. All that was needed was something like the Trilux SUIT Sight, which came out later in the 70's, but it was a very good weapon. The factory in Belgium no longer belongs the the government, but was made into a private company, (how to try to save money Belgium style) and produce today some very good weapons together with Heckler & Koch as one group. Why the change? Well the 7.62mm was changed by the EU to 5.56mm small arms round after the report of how the new German/French/Niederland fast reaction group would work. They reported that 100 rounds of 7.62mm was sum 62% heaver than the 5.56, believe that if you will. I think that the new Heckler & Koch-FN group had this round as standard in their program and put pressure on the EU. The cost of the 7.62mm was also a factor, but the main factor during those talks was the amount of fire power you could lay down, it was truly awesome. No doubt the L85A2 or (SA80) as it is known is a good weapon, fast and easy to carry/use, but is it as accurate as the L2A1 and the answer is NO! The British government has burned tax money over the last 50 or so years. Why get rid of the FV620 Stalwart, or the FV601 Saladin. As for the Ferret or the Humber Pig, I thought them to be a danger to all who drove in them in conflict. Sorry folks, but this based just on my memory's, interest in the British Army and some research.

Mike

I served in Saladins, Ferrets and Saracens and for the time they were excellent vehicles however the Scorpion and Fox that replaced them were far superior.
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   26/9/2010, 09:37

Ilike Buzz he says nice things about Foxes LOL Laughing SLR best rifle in the world!
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   27/9/2010, 11:03

Alas I never crewed either, I'd left the army by the time they were introduced however I keep in touch with my regiment and they used the Scorpon to good effect in the Gulf War. The Blues and Royals used both the Scorpion and the Scimitar in the Falklands and they were very effective even on the boggy ground.
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 21:16

thought the SLR was by far the best outright killing weapon. .303 was very accurate and I achieved my cross rifles with it. (SMG - Nato ak47) - spray the target. I thought the first SA 80 were the biggest pile of (do do). I used the SA 80A with RMR, still did not rate it highly...
M16, now the yanks always seemed to have Gucci gear, wonder why it wasn't purchased?? Question It has always been stated, don't no if everybody agrees??? Best Trained but s**t equipment

9mm Browning, excellent
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 21:39

The outright stopping power of the 7.62 is what is needed in these times. The SLR was and still is a damn good soldiers weapon, able to put up with all the crap that could be thrown at it in the field.
Anyway Iam off to put a new head gasket on my Fox Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 22:28

...enjoy..
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 22:39

:lol Laughing Thank you....loved pulling that back armour off him!
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 22:44

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:lol Laughing Thank you....loved pulling that back armour off him!

..did u swap the jag out or have u kept'd it?
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 22:48

We have kept the Jag, mech is going to have a hard look at it sometime this week, hoping it is just the haed gasket....if we have a cracked head then Iam in real trouble. Would love to drop something "meatier" in him though! Something with a real nice note, if you know what I mean Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 22:56

6tons + jag engine, i'd take reskimming the head anyday, be expensive if head is cracked
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   30/1/2011, 23:01

Would love to redesign the entire power pack and gear box! Had a real nightmare with the Wilson pre select as no one over here knew anything about them......Hmmmmm nice V 8 disel
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   31/1/2011, 10:06

.. wasn't it multifuelled ?
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   31/1/2011, 11:32

I was a far better shot with the .303 than the SLR. But then I probably did more training in the CCF than in the Army.
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   31/1/2011, 20:09

handler 69 wrote:
Would love to redesign the entire power pack and gear box! Had a real nightmare with the Wilson pre select as no one over here knew anything about them......Hmmmmm nice V 8 disel

..have you thought about a different powerplant?
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   31/1/2011, 21:18

I think that they were supposed to be multi fuelled. Yeah I would like to put a disel in it, any ideas on what sort?
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PostSubject: Re: SLR / SA80 or M16!   31/1/2011, 21:36

handler 69 wrote:
I think that they were supposed to be multi fuelled. Yeah I would like to put a disel in it, any ideas on what sort?

..cummins..
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