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Paul
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Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   28/11/2008, 17:59

Does anyone have any idea where the records for the MSO and its forebears may be held?

Are/were they held in BAOR, in the MOD(UK), or somewhere else?

Paul.
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Oliver (Trince)
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Number of posts : 44
Age : 49
Localisation : 52°38'50.20''N 9°51'40.52''E, Germany
Cap Badge : MSO BAOR
Places Served : MSO Hildesheim, MSO Bracht
Registration date : 2008-06-17

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   2/12/2008, 14:32

Hello Paul,

so far I know, the records were led at local PLSU Offices and for the Salary Payments at the "Amt fuer Verteidungslasten". After 5 years leaving the MSO e.g., all files were destroyed.

That is an information I've got from a German Book called "3 Base Ammunition Depot - Ein britisches Munitionsdepot im Brachter Wald" with a couple of informations about the good old times.


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Paul
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Number of posts : 817
Age : 65
Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   2/12/2008, 19:12

OliverK wrote:
Hello Paul,

so far I know, the records were led at local PLSU Offices and for the Salary Payments at the "Amt fuer Verteidungslasten". After 5 years leaving the MSO e.g., all files were destroyed.

That is an information I've got from a German Book calles "3 Base Ammunition Depot - Ein britisches Munitionsdepot im Brachter Wald" with a couple of informations about the good old times.

Oh b****r, it looks as though that line of enquiry is out of the window.

Paul.
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Number of posts : 44
Age : 49
Localisation : 52°38'50.20''N 9°51'40.52''E, Germany
Cap Badge : MSO BAOR
Places Served : MSO Hildesheim, MSO Bracht
Registration date : 2008-06-17

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   4/12/2008, 11:20

Hello Paul!

Perhaps I have made a mistake in logic.

It can this be, certain activities made an entry necessary at the BAOR databases.

I think of the education as dog handlers, gate watchman (we called them MSO-Pistol, blokes from Letland) and explosive workers.

If about this entries which weren't in the personal file were done themselves directly at the BAOR, you should into at all which ones databases be noted down.

Perhaps one can after-hook once again there.
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Paddyb
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Places Served : Paderborn, Barnard Castle, Munsterlager, Sennelager
Registration date : 2008-01-30

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   8/3/2009, 18:14

Originally the MSO etc records were held in Cromwell Barracks Hamm, that closed, It is possible that some records are held for legal reasons and would think a letter to the LEC (Locally Emnployed Civilians) Branch at UKSC(G), Rheindahlen, BFPO 140 might generate a complete answer. (Alkl thosew guys had records/NOK cards and pay documents just like regular soldiers).
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Paul
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Number of posts : 817
Age : 65
Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   8/3/2009, 23:50

Paddyb wrote:
Originally the MSO etc records were held in Cromwell Barracks Hamm, that closed, It is possible that some records are held for legal reasons and would think a letter to the LEC (Locally Emnployed Civilians) Branch at UKSC(G), Rheindahlen, BFPO 140 might generate a complete answer. (Alkl thosew guys had records/NOK cards and pay documents just like regular soldiers).

Thank you Paddyb, I will pass that on to the original poster.

Paul.
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Mike_2817
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Cap Badge : RAOC
Registration date : 2009-08-27

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   28/8/2009, 15:59

Oliver (Trince) wrote:
Hello Paul,

so far I know, the records were led at local PLSU Offices and for the Salary Payments at the "Amt fuer Verteidungslasten". After 5 years leaving the MSO e.g., all files were destroyed.

That is an information I've got from a German Book called "3 Base Ammunition Depot - Ein britisches Munitionsdepot im Brachter Wald" with a couple of informations about the good old times.

Oliver, Is this book all in German or German/English? I have heard of it before, but never seen a copy.

As a matter of interest I came across the 3 BAPD 'Freedom of Bracht' Scroll in the DM Kineton Officers Mess last October and I wonder if its twin is still displayed in the Rathouse!
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Oliver (Trince)
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Number of posts : 44
Age : 49
Localisation : 52°38'50.20''N 9°51'40.52''E, Germany
Cap Badge : MSO BAOR
Places Served : MSO Hildesheim, MSO Bracht
Registration date : 2008-06-17

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   28/8/2009, 17:34

Mike_2817 wrote:
Oliver (Trince) wrote:
Hello Paul,

so far I know, the records were led at local PLSU Offices and for the Salary Payments at the "Amt fuer Verteidungslasten". After 5 years leaving the MSO e.g., all files were destroyed.

That is an information I've got from a German Book called "3 Base Ammunition Depot - Ein britisches Munitionsdepot im Brachter Wald" with a couple of informations about the good old times.

Oliver, Is this book all in German or German/English? I have heard of it before, but never seen a copy.

As a matter of interest I came across the 3 BAPD 'Freedom of Bracht' Scroll in the DM Kineton Officers Mess last October and I wonder if its twin is still displayed in the Rathouse!

The book is only in german. It have a summary in english, that's all. 4 pages at all. If you are interested about it, i can sent it you as a pdf-file. It will take some days until I'm back at work.
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Mike_2817
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PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   28/8/2009, 21:03

Thanks Oliver have sent you my e-mail address already.

Mike
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 394
Age : 69
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   12/11/2009, 13:13

I have read the threads above re: MSO.

Did anyone come up with a contact address for the records for MSO personnel?

Alan
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Paul
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Number of posts : 817
Age : 65
Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   15/11/2009, 13:05

alan8376 wrote:
I have read the threads above re: MSO.

Did anyone come up with a contact address for the records for MSO personnel?

Alan

As of yet, no. But I have not toatally given up yet.

Paul.
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Paul
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Number of posts : 817
Age : 65
Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   15/11/2009, 13:07

Oliver (Trince) wrote:
....That is an information I've got from a German Book called "3 Base Ammunition Depot - Ein britisches Munitionsdepot im Brachter Wald" with a couple of informations about the good old times.

Oliver,

If you still have the book, could you send a scan to me please? Just use the e-mail button in my profile.

Paul.
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Oliver (Trince)
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Number of posts : 44
Age : 49
Localisation : 52°38'50.20''N 9°51'40.52''E, Germany
Cap Badge : MSO BAOR
Places Served : MSO Hildesheim, MSO Bracht
Registration date : 2008-06-17

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   15/11/2009, 13:26

Paul wrote:
Oliver (Trince) wrote:
....That is an information I've got from a German Book called "3 Base Ammunition Depot - Ein britisches Munitionsdepot im Brachter Wald" with a couple of informations about the good old times.

Oliver,

If you still have the book, could you send a scan to me please? Just use the e-mail button in my profile.

Paul.

That is about 250 pages and not done in a few hours. Shocked

But I will do my best and take it when I'm on night shift again. Very Happy
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Paul
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Number of posts : 817
Age : 65
Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   15/11/2009, 13:52

Paul wrote:
Oliver (Trince) wrote:
....That is an information I've got from a German Book called "3 Base Ammunition Depot - Ein britisches Munitionsdepot im Brachter Wald" with a couple of informations about the good old times.

Oliver,

If you still have the book, could you send a scan to me please? Just use the e-mail button in my profile.

Paul.

My apologies, I picked up the original message incorrectly.

If it shows anything to do with locations, dates, military units, MSO, that will be sufficient, rather than the whole book.

The German will be only a small problem, as I know someone who can help me with the translation if need be.

Paul.
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Dieter.Rudolph
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Registration date : 2012-11-15

PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   19/11/2012, 15:16

Whilst writing about records. Recently when in Hamburg I visited two large departments as I was searching for records of German Army personnel records. I was told by the Hamburg Archives that for the period 1939 - 1945 they have nothing, saying the British took them all away. Time they were given back I think, if you can find them. I was attempting to find out more about my Father, who served in the Wehrmacht from 1932 - 1948. Yes that is right, the nice Russians kept him until then, but eventually let him go.

All fascinating subjects, but have you forgotten that it is time now that you put your mind to those presents for Christmas and not leave it to the last minutes. You, or most likely your Dad’s or his Dad will want something thoughtful and interesting as a gift. I have worked hard and burnt much midnight oil to make this possible for you. Why not look at the following internet site and happy reading to all.

world wide web.farewelltohamburg.com
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burgess720
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PostSubject: Re: CMWS/CMLO/MSO Records   20/11/2012, 03:37

Hi again,


Your message reminds me of an ex Russian POW who I met in Osnabruck in 1952; all he said he was lucky to get home after so many years, fighting then a prisoner in the cold winters; and bad food

The Wehrmacht 37 Infantrie Regiment from Osnabruck who left for the Ost Front were almost all killed in Leningrad

Guess many of us are lucky to be alive
Regards Tony
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