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 9/12th Lancers and Fox

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jimbob
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Number of posts : 8
Age : 58
Localisation : yeovil
Cap Badge : 9/12 royal lancers(pow)
Places Served : catterick,tidworth,northern ireland,cyprus,munster,hohne,wolfenbuttel,wimbish,herford
Registration date : 2010-10-26

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   9/11/2010, 13:23

looking great, mean and bad
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handler 69
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Number of posts : 160
Age : 48
Localisation : Launceston Tasmania
Cap Badge : RACT
Places Served : Army Reserve TA
Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   15/11/2010, 04:09

Well old Basil at the moment is stranded in a horse paddock, with no brakes and no movement.
The brakes all bled out through a hole in the line right below the drivers seat, so I have to find the break and fix that.
As well as that it appears that he may be stuck between gears as he will not go anywhere, kinda like trying to take off with the hand brake on Sad
He does start really well now, but can't keep him running long as it makes the flywheel overheat.
For all of you that had to work on these beasts you have my sympathy as there issweet F A room in there anywhere Mad
Oh well...will keep at it and get him running sweetly, what else can go wrong Suspect
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jim
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Number of posts : 1291
Localisation : Sutton Coldfield
Cap Badge : RAOC
Places Served : Dad, Hamburg, Bad Oeynhausen, Iserlohn, Bury, Osnabruck, Worcester. Me Detmold, Bielefeld, NI, HK
Registration date : 2008-01-03

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   15/11/2010, 10:37

Oh I should imagine there are a whole raft of things that can go wrong, that's why we needed REME mate. Hope that makes you feel better. Smile
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handler 69
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Age : 48
Localisation : Launceston Tasmania
Cap Badge : RACT
Places Served : Army Reserve TA
Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   15/11/2010, 20:45

Thank you Jim!
Does that mean you are going to come down and fix him for me, I can give you lots of mud and a tight working space Laughing
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Number of posts : 1291
Localisation : Sutton Coldfield
Cap Badge : RAOC
Places Served : Dad, Hamburg, Bad Oeynhausen, Iserlohn, Bury, Osnabruck, Worcester. Me Detmold, Bielefeld, NI, HK
Registration date : 2008-01-03

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   16/11/2010, 09:43

Not me Troy, I was a Staff Clerk, don't do dirty hands mate. Smile
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handler 69
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Localisation : Launceston Tasmania
Cap Badge : RACT
Places Served : Army Reserve TA
Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   18/11/2010, 05:27

Today I got to see the gearbox of my Fox.......just one little thing can stop 6.5 T of vehicle Embarassed

Also learnt how to be a contortionist

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brum
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Number of posts : 2808
Age : 76
Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire
Cap Badge : RA/QOH
Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich
Registration date : 2010-03-02

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   18/11/2010, 08:42


Ah, the pre-select box ! i haven't seen one of those for a long time !

Nice pictures of the bush Troy, is that near where you live ?
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jim
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Number of posts : 1291
Localisation : Sutton Coldfield
Cap Badge : RAOC
Places Served : Dad, Hamburg, Bad Oeynhausen, Iserlohn, Bury, Osnabruck, Worcester. Me Detmold, Bielefeld, NI, HK
Registration date : 2008-01-03

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   18/11/2010, 09:53

Looks nasty and oily to me. Ugh!!
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handler 69
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Number of posts : 160
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Localisation : Launceston Tasmania
Cap Badge : RACT
Places Served : Army Reserve TA
Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   18/11/2010, 10:27

I have just been told that it is stuck in 5th gear and have to find someone in Tassie who knows about Wilson's......... affraid I think I will find rocking horse do do first Laughing
Yes Brum that is the land Iam leasing, about 1000 acres. Can you PM me your address Brum I have an Xmas card for you.
Big day tommorow gotta find a needle in a hay stack!
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steve jones
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Number of posts : 210
Age : 65
Localisation : Christchurch, NZ
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : AAC Carlisle, Bielefeld, Werl, Munster, Arborfield
Registration date : 2008-04-08

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   18/11/2010, 20:09

Brilliant picture of the gearbox. boy do i remeber them things. i remeber that when you were setting the band tension you had to "pump" each gear about a million times to set them. not uncommon problem, sticking in one gear and then selecting another.
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 398
Age : 69
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   18/11/2010, 21:59

Steve is correct!

If you have not been carrying out 'Drivers First Parade' checks ie. 'Carrying out pumping up gearbox in each gear' then problems WILL occur! (Sargn't Major, place this driver on a Charge Report 252!)

Of course you personally have not forgotten, because you have not had it 5 mins! Don't know how the Fox was maintained prior!

The manual you need is a manual called EMER **** (sorry can't remember the letter and 3 digit No. This inst book lists Allison gearbox adjustment of Brake Bands.

Don't be lead into buying any ex military Manuals/Bookbooks listing Fox repairs in titel etc as they do not normally cover gearbox adjustments.

OK, if seller can sustantiate adjustments AND instructions on manufacture of adjusting tools (can be reproduced/made locally) then maybe they have copied EMER ****.

If you surf the web you will eventually find someone selling photo copies. I did once have a copy I found on the net. Unfortunately it has long since disappeared from my PC!

I have up to now not found again the manual dispite finding lots of sellers of military manuals.

Please note! I have not worked on the Allison gearbox, so I cant advise you on the adjustments but I am are aware of the problems they caused.

PS. Have you had a 'false neutral' yet? You will know it, as your left knee will hit you in the chin!

Good luck

Alan Ex REME Vehicle Mechanic

PS. I would take a bet the adjustment procedures are the same for the Ferret, Saracen and Saracen Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFV).

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handler 69
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Localisation : Launceston Tasmania
Cap Badge : RACT
Places Served : Army Reserve TA
Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   19/11/2010, 10:38

I have been told they are the same, cobber! I have a chap coming out on Monday to look at the Fox and yes I believe that you are quite correct and Iam in this predicament owing to a lack of experience in the vehicle.
I appreciate the support fellas and will keep you informed.. elephant
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Shelldrake
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Number of posts : 2998
Localisation : Camberley
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh
Registration date : 2010-10-26

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   19/11/2010, 12:31


PS. Have you had a 'false neutral' yet? You will know it, as your left knee will hit you in the chin!



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AKA - FKB!! affraid affraid
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 398
Age : 69
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   19/11/2010, 13:13

Try joining this Society! They have members with FOX, SALADIN and SARACEN. I saw they have a Tech Section.

http://www.afvsociety.co.uk/


http://s224124913.websitehome.co.uk/Forum3/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=9b98a630f6f0f78bd86407713fb83ddb

I bet you will get instructions and copies of EMERs which deal with the gearbox.

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handler 69
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Localisation : Launceston Tasmania
Cap Badge : RACT
Places Served : Army Reserve TA
Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   22/11/2010, 08:50

It appears it ain't the gear box but the bevels....what more joy!
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PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   24/11/2010, 21:09

Nope towed the beast out of the field last night with the aid of a large 4x4 tractor ( nearly got him out with my land rover though! Suspect ) So there is nothing wrong in that department, back to the gearbox and fifth gear, gotta make up the box tool and then I can get him back on the road.
WHY?? OH WHY?? Shocked I ask you did you make such great armour but curse them with complicated and hard to get and work on mechcanicals confused
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 398
Age : 69
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   24/11/2010, 22:25

Now, now! Yours is the easy AFV to work on!

Good luck............

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Cap Badge : RACT
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Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   24/11/2010, 23:01

Should have him up and running next week...gotta make a special tool to adjust the gearbox with. Anyone got one for a Fox??
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steve jones
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Number of posts : 210
Age : 65
Localisation : Christchurch, NZ
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : AAC Carlisle, Bielefeld, Werl, Munster, Arborfield
Registration date : 2008-04-08

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   25/11/2010, 21:28

handler 69 wrote:

WHY?? OH WHY?? Shocked I ask you did you make such great armour but curse them with complicated and hard to get and work on mechcanicals confused

A question we REME VM's asked all the time. Could have been worse mate, could have been a Stalwart clutch or a Scorpion steering box !!!
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PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   25/11/2010, 21:42

another update!

Looking at the photos and comparing with the specs that Richard gave me,
fifth gear is well and truly out of adjustment and I would think that the
gearbox and associated linkages would need adjusting back to base settings.
Quite a task if you haven't done them before.

Should be back on the road soon cheers
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brum
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Number of posts : 2808
Age : 76
Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire
Cap Badge : RA/QOH
Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich
Registration date : 2010-03-02

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   26/11/2010, 10:19

handler 69 wrote:
another update!

Looking at the photos and comparing with the specs that Richard gave me,
fifth gear is well and truly out of adjustment and I would think that the
gearbox and associated linkages would need adjusting back to base settings.
Quite a task if you haven't done them before.

Should be back on the road soon cheers

Should've got a Ferret, Troy !
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Registration date : 2010-09-11

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   28/11/2010, 23:58

Still have the same gear box mate :lol
New gear box in him. Suppose you gotta expect some problems, only thing is I have to fly the chap in from Melbourne....can be hard living on a island sometimes.
I hear the weather is a bit chilly over there at the moment tongue
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PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   30/11/2010, 09:40

1000 pounds to get my Fox fixed Crying or Very sad well there you go! My mate the farmer has a good gate guardian
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jimbob
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Number of posts : 8
Age : 58
Localisation : yeovil
Cap Badge : 9/12 royal lancers(pow)
Places Served : catterick,tidworth,northern ireland,cyprus,munster,hohne,wolfenbuttel,wimbish,herford
Registration date : 2010-10-26

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   2/12/2010, 10:06

i reckon it might be cheaper flying out a vm from britain santa
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Places Served : Dad, Hamburg, Bad Oeynhausen, Iserlohn, Bury, Osnabruck, Worcester. Me Detmold, Bielefeld, NI, HK
Registration date : 2008-01-03

PostSubject: Re: 9/12th Lancers and Fox   2/12/2010, 13:53

Bloody hell indeed Troy Sad
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