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 Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?

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Rock 7
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PostSubject: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   30/8/2016, 02:22

Still trying to restore this vehicle and would like as much info that any of you have on it. It is a 1952 Vehicle that was shipped to Vehicle Coy 151 in August 1952.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   30/8/2016, 08:10

Congratulations on a fine restoration however if the vehicle was delivered pre 1949 the markings would be correct but according to internet sources the British Control Commission Germany was disbanded in 1949
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Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   30/8/2016, 22:00

Can anyone clarify the M6261682 painted on the bonnet? I reckon this is the Chassis Number!
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   31/8/2016, 16:50

The number on the bonnet looks typically US Army Veh identity number, not British. Another point I never saw a military beetle with a sun roof when I was in BAOR during the 50s and 60s.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   1/9/2016, 09:27

alan8376 wrote:
Can anyone clarify the M6261682 painted on the bonnet? I reckon this is the Chassis Number!

Not the chassis number for 1952 the numbers then ran from 1-0320XXX to 1-0402XXX
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   1/9/2016, 10:01

 photo CCG Beetle order_zpspyoo4wh5.jpg

1947 - "CCG" cars for the British military government

 photo CCG Beetle_zpszipvem4y.jpg

The officer is Capt Bryce REME
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Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   1/9/2016, 16:23

Hi 'Rock 7,

I am not aware of where you have obtained VW info upto now!

Here is a possible alternative route. It will cost you!  It costs £10, as there is a manual search using your Chassis No. The one on the bonnet is not the correct one to use for the site I am posting.

http://www.rlcarchive.org/

First you will need to join the site!  Once you have the go ahead, go to the 'RASC & RCT' cap badges shown shown.  Listed underneath is listed Vehicle Records  (Don't click , as it is only info)). Instead go to the Search drop down box at the top of the page, go to Vehicles and click. A page to complete will open up.

Chassis No -enter it (not the one on the bonnet!). Do you have an alternate number which is stamped some where?  The number used to be stamped on the chassis under the back seat cushion.
Enter the car  Make - enter Volkswagen
Designation enter - Car

Press Search. http://www.rlcarchive.org/order/basket. (I've just noticed this won't work for you, as I have logged off)!

The basket should open requesting £10 for the manual search. If all goes well, you should be taken to the Check Out.

Ok, so far!  But you pay your money and take the chance the  Chassis No you entered is correct! Note. I have not used the Vehicle Search before. So I am not aware what info is hold.

Have a dummy run using M6261682. Yes, it will pop up. At least you now know it works.
Warning!  M6261682 is for another vehicle. So dig out your VW Chassis No.

Good Luck
Regards
Alan
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   1/9/2016, 19:04

Steve

As we have often discussed privately accuracy of internet information is often like tactics "the opinion of the senior officer present

I believe that the remnants of the CCG finally disappeared in the early 1950s though much reduced in size and responsibility from its creation in 1945

Certainly Discovery, the index of documents held in the National Archives Kew, includes records of the Foreign Office sponsored CCG up until 1953 when there clearly was a change of title and the rump was replaced by members of the diplomatic service or Foreign Office sponsored Civil Servants. The ongoing status of the British Frontier Service in Germany could be a cause of further debate.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   2/9/2016, 04:56

Alan,
Thanks for the info. I requested the information. Do you know about how long it takes to get a reply from the search. Also do you know if it will come by mail or email.
Thanks again,
Rock 7
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Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   2/9/2016, 07:15

Hi 'Rock 7',

I have used the site for Mil History/Journals etc. which are 'live' with no problems. Your request requires a maunal search of cards/data.  I have never used a 'Vehicle' search.  I am sure they will contact you by email!

Good Luck
Alan

PS. Do report back to this Site on the outcome please! I and other guys do spend a lot of time in the background working away providing tips and Info... It's nice to hear how requests for help/Info pan out.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   3/9/2016, 17:50

Still waiting on a reply
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Registration date : 2009-07-28

PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   3/9/2016, 20:30

I think it will take time.  History cards are, I would think, in another location. Maybe in a museum vault
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   5/9/2016, 16:52

Bob G,  If you check some of the old photos you will see the US had a totally different numbering style.  My vehicle is stamped 11E which is the rare standard model with a sunroof.  I have the birth certificate from Volkswagen showing it was delivered to the British Vehicle Coy 151.  
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   5/9/2016, 16:54

Here is an example of a BOAR vehicle with a sun roof it is also later than 1953 because it has an oval window.  The CCG vehicles must have gone as far as at least the mid 50s.  
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   5/9/2016, 17:09

The top photo VW with sunroof I believe is British but the second VW with sunroof I am not sure if it is British or Canadian.



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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   5/9/2016, 19:12

Being an owner of several VW Beetles including part ownership of a 1949 split rear screen with cable brakes (needed to be adjusted daily) in the late 1960s stationed in Verden-Aller, have an unhealthy interest in this subject, my earlier CCG images were taken from a 1979 publication from Volkswagenwerk AG (no copyright), however need to be careful with further production details as these have copyright!

28 Apr 50 – production now available with a folding sunroof
10 Mar 53 – split rear window replaced with a larger oval rear window

In the course of my early BAOR research, 151 Vehicle Company RAOC was stationed in Herford prior to Lippstadt, command HQ BAOR and have found CCG had a headquarters there, so logically 151 Coy supplied vehicles to this organisation, however do believe that the CCG now longer existed by 1952

My BAOR research is only up to 1948 so far, however my VW Beetle research goes much further…

Best of luck with your research
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   7/9/2016, 00:17

Steve,
Production of the folding sun roof goes back to 1937 as seen in the prototypes of the KDF Wagen. And the true split window stopped in 1952 with a few of the Split window Volkswagens with an oval window dash (Called the Split Oval Dash).
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Registration date : 2010-02-14

PostSubject: Re: Can anyone give me more information about this CCG vehicle?   7/9/2016, 10:27

Was referring to the post WW2 Beetle production regarding the sunroof, as per my previous post information shows the split rear window ceased from 10 Mar 53 production, if you send me a PM with your email address will be happy to send details
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