BFG/BAOR/RAFG Locations

www.baor-locations.org
 
HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  MemberlistMemberlist  UsergroupsUsergroups  Log in  
Latest topics
» WW2 23 (SP) Regt Royal Canadian Artillery
Yesterday at 20:22 by Pborn4

» WW2 - War Diaries - Source documents Canadian and British
25/5/2017, 21:05 by Pborn4

» Brixton Camp to be demolished!
25/5/2017, 12:04 by soprano54

» Intelligence Group Intelligence Division and BIO (G)
23/5/2017, 16:03 by lukedalygroves

» Highland Light Infantry in Luneburg 1957
22/5/2017, 14:48 by Shelldrake

» General Info.
22/5/2017, 08:33 by JPW

» The Life Guards, 1945/6
21/5/2017, 22:34 by Peter56

» Bindon Barracks 125 Coy 1955-57
19/5/2017, 17:41 by JPW

» Bindon Bks
17/5/2017, 18:21 by Woodings55-57

» Bad lippspringe
12/5/2017, 10:20 by Pborn4

» Six Months Extra
30/4/2017, 21:19 by dundee

» BRIAN (LOFTY ) MCGUINNESS
28/4/2017, 21:02 by john mcmillan

» Leicester Barracks
26/4/2017, 07:54 by MHS Husum

» Carry on SGT
25/4/2017, 17:22 by ciphers

» Did you serve in Kitchener Barracks Willich?
23/4/2017, 17:46 by Pborn3

Navigation
 Portal
 Index
 Memberlist
 Profile
 FAQ
 Search
Who is online?
In total there are 15 users online :: 0 Registered, 0 Hidden and 15 Guests :: 2 Bots

None

Most users ever online was 144 on 31/12/2014, 23:57
May 2017
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
1234567
891011121314
15161718192021
22232425262728
293031    
CalendarCalendar
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search

Share | 
 

 Alvis Saracen - History

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
Mettlen
Private
Private


Number of posts : 1
Registration date : 2012-08-27

PostSubject: Alvis Saracen - History   27/8/2012, 20:46

Hi All,

I am restoring an Alvis Saracen 96 BA 69 but I would like to find out as much history of the vehicle including photos and making contact with those who used it in service. I have the record card and was wondering if anyone could help!

Saracen, Mark 2, VHF, Alvis
96 BA 69

5th January 1956: Date in service. No record – in storage?

6th July 1971: 17 Base Vehicle Depot (BVD), Recklinghausen, Germany (Stock).

10th February 1972: 17th / 21st Lancers, based at Northampton Barracks, Wolfenbuttel, Germany.

8th November 1976: 16th / 5th The Queen’s Royal Lancers, based at Northampton Barracks, Wolfenbuttel, Germany.

23rd January 1976: Vehicle Depot (VD), based at Ludgershall, Wiltshire.

23rd June 1976: 34 Central Workshops, REME, based at Donnington, Shropshire.

23rd February 1977: Vehicle Depot (VD), based at Ludgershall, Wiltshire.

14th August 1978: Ordnance Depot, RAOC, based at Antwerp, Belgium.

12th February 1978: Quartermaster (QM), Ordnance Depot, RAOC, based at Antwerp, Belgium.

8th June 1992: Struck Off to William Banister, Northiam, East Sussex.

Many Thanks in advance!

Back to top Go down
View user profile
JPW
Let Gen
Let Gen


Number of posts : 1014
Age : 76
Localisation : Berkshire
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Rotenburg Ploen Lippstadt Hamm Wetter Minden Munster Bielefeldt Dusseldorf
Registration date : 2008-11-09

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   28/8/2012, 08:29

Mettlen

Welcome

This site loves this type of challenge (in the past we have helped atleast two civilian owners of former BAOR based vehicles trace the relevent history with some success

Have you approached Home Headquarters The Queens Royal Lancers for information (by pure coincidence the 17/21st and 16/5th amalgamated a decade plus ago)?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
pete26
Capt
Capt


Number of posts : 209
Cap Badge : R.E.
Places Served : Farnborough, Hohne, Ulster, Berchtesgaden,Chatham..
Registration date : 2012-04-29

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   30/8/2012, 01:47

The only time I saw Saracens was in Ulster. Never saw any in BAOR.

They were much quieter than and certainly much less draughty than Humber Pigs.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
jimsigs1
Let Gen
Let Gen
avatar

Number of posts : 1298
Age : 83
Localisation : West of England
Cap Badge : Royal Signals
Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972
Registration date : 2010-02-22

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   30/8/2012, 10:45

Once saw a saracen based vehicle being used as a fire tender at Silverstone some years ago. Were there civilian versions I wonder.
Jimsigs1
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Shelldrake
FM
FM
avatar

Number of posts : 2989
Localisation : Camberley
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh
Registration date : 2010-10-26

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   30/8/2012, 13:00

Most Gunner regiments had Saricans in the 60 and early 70 - they were used as Battery Command Posts prior to the issue of AFV 432.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Nick642
Cpl
Cpl


Number of posts : 12
Age : 69
Localisation : Scotland
Cap Badge : Royal Signals
Places Served : JTR Troon, Lippstadt, Herford
Registration date : 2011-07-30

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   19/9/2012, 18:02

pete26 wrote:
The only time I saw Saracens was in Ulster. Never saw any in BAOR.

They were much quieter than and certainly much less draughty than Humber Pigs.

My first posting was to 22 sigs in Lippstadt circa 1965. Recce Troop was in it's 'infancy' and we had a motley assortment of vehicles including Austin Champs, Humber Pigs and Austin K9's. Gradually, we started to get decent kit and the Champs were replaced with series 2a LWB FFR Landrovers, The K9's disappeared and the Pigs were replaced with Saracens which some of us learned to drive.
After the move to 7 Sigs ( 1967 I think) , the Saracens were upgraded to the Tall Command Post versions and kitted out with C42, C11 and Bid150.

I loved the Saracen. It was fun ( but hard work sometimes) to drive but it was very noisy and we woke up a lot of sleeping civvies by roaring through their sleepy village in the wee small hours and kicking down to a low gear. The resulting scream woke up everyone for miles . A driver in 22 Sigs ( I think it was Jimmy Gray) kicked down once too often and blew the muffler off. ( What a clatter).

Anyways, Recce Troop only ever had two Saracens, designated R1 ( Commanded by Cpl George Bates from Leamington Spa) and the backup was R2 Commanded by me ( L/Cpl Ian Beat). By 1968, the Saracens were replaced with FV432's which were still in service when I left in 1969..
Back to top Go down
View user profile
pete26
Capt
Capt


Number of posts : 209
Cap Badge : R.E.
Places Served : Farnborough, Hohne, Ulster, Berchtesgaden,Chatham..
Registration date : 2012-04-29

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   19/9/2012, 20:17

Nick642 wrote:
pete26 wrote:
The only time I saw Saracens was in Ulster. Never saw any in BAOR.

They were much quieter than and certainly much less draughty than Humber Pigs.

My first posting was to 22 sigs in Lippstadt circa 1965. Recce Troop was in it's 'infancy' and we had a motley assortment of vehicles including Austin Champs, Humber Pigs and Austin K9's. Gradually, we started to get decent kit and the Champs were replaced with series 2a LWB FFR Landrovers, The K9's disappeared and the Pigs were replaced with Saracens which some of us learned to drive.
After the move to 7 Sigs ( 1967 I think) , the Saracens were upgraded to the Tall Command Post versions and kitted out with C42, C11 and Bid150.

I loved the Saracen. It was fun ( but hard work sometimes) to drive but it was very noisy and we woke up a lot of sleeping civvies by roaring through their sleepy village in the wee small hours and kicking down to a low gear. The resulting scream woke up everyone for miles . A driver in 22 Sigs ( I think it was Jimmy Gray) kicked down once too often and blew the muffler off. ( What a clatter).

Anyways, Recce Troop only ever had two Saracens, designated R1 ( Commanded by Cpl George Bates from Leamington Spa) and the backup was R2 Commanded by me ( L/Cpl Ian Beat). By 1968, the Saracens were replaced with FV432's which were still in service when I left in 1969..

Austin Champs had been replaced when I got in. Some of the 'old sweats' said they used to drag our Cents down to the washdown with them after exercises on Luneberg heath.

Now that is impressive.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
brum
FM
FM


Number of posts : 2808
Age : 76
Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire
Cap Badge : RA/QOH
Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich
Registration date : 2010-03-02

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   19/9/2012, 20:29

[quote="Nick642
, the Saracens were upgraded to the Tall Command Post versions and kitted out with C42, C11 and Bid150.

We Gunners called them Saracens but strictly speaking they were "Armoured Command Post, RA".
They were fun to drive but far too complex to maintain.
I never knew that other units used them too, makes sense though.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
brum
FM
FM


Number of posts : 2808
Age : 76
Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire
Cap Badge : RA/QOH
Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich
Registration date : 2010-03-02

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   19/9/2012, 20:34

[quote="pete26

Austin Champs had been replaced when I got in. Some of the 'old sweats' said they used to drag our Cents down to the washdown with them after exercises on Luneberg heath.

Now that is impressive.[/quote]

I'm struggling to believe that a Champ could pull a Centurion but I did bump start our fully-laden Bedford POL wagon with one once.
BLUEBELL expressed much disapproval !
Back to top Go down
View user profile
brum
FM
FM


Number of posts : 2808
Age : 76
Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire
Cap Badge : RA/QOH
Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich
Registration date : 2010-03-02

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   19/9/2012, 20:37

jimsigs1 wrote:
Once saw a saracen based vehicle being used as a fire tender at Silverstone some years ago. Were there civilian versions I wonder.
Jimsigs1

I just noticed this one Jim.
I wonder if what you saw was that fire tender the RAF used. Would it have been called a Salamander ?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
BigJock
WOI
WOI
avatar

Number of posts : 117
Localisation : €uroland
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Arborfield, Bordon, Osnabrück, Paderborn and once again Paderborn.
Registration date : 2011-06-14

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   20/9/2012, 18:51

As previously stated the RA used them as command posts here is one I changed the engine on at Münsterlager in the mid '60's, belonged to 51 Kabul Bty. 24Msl Regt.




Back to top Go down
View user profile
lasatalayas
LCpl
LCpl


Number of posts : 6
Registration date : 2012-06-12

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   9/8/2013, 09:18

My personal favourite was the Robert Radar which was a Radar FA9 mounted in/on a Saracen.

I remember a drunken Gunner pinching it one night out of the Radar Park at Larkhill and hiding it on the ranges. Took us a couple to find it as it was all cammed up.

Happy days.
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.kenandglen.com
Wilf
Lt Col
Lt Col
avatar

Number of posts : 314
Cap Badge : RAOC
Places Served : Bicester-Soltau-Canada-Kineton-Paderborn-Osnabruck (Inc Gulf 1) Donnington-Civy Strasse.
Registration date : 2008-10-22

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   10/8/2013, 06:04

There may be something of interest here...

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?16817-Saracen-Build-up
Back to top Go down
View user profile
brum
FM
FM


Number of posts : 2808
Age : 76
Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire
Cap Badge : RA/QOH
Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich
Registration date : 2010-03-02

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   17/8/2013, 14:17

BigJock wrote:
As previously stated the RA used them as command posts here is one I changed the engine on at Münsterlager in the mid '60's, belonged  to 51 Kabul Bty. 24Msl Regt.






mmmm, funny Shelldrake missed this one.

Anyroad up. I'm trying to remember what the name of that beer is-the label looks familiar. Could it be Herrenhausen ?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Shelldrake
FM
FM
avatar

Number of posts : 2989
Localisation : Camberley
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh
Registration date : 2010-10-26

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   21/8/2013, 18:07

brum wrote:
BigJock wrote:
As previously stated the RA used them as command posts here is one I changed the engine on at Münsterlager in the mid '60's, belonged  to 51 Kabul Bty. 24Msl Regt.





mmmm, funny Shelldrake missed this one.

Anyroad up. I'm trying to remember what the name of that beer is-the label looks familiar. Could it be Herrenhausen ?

That'll be Left Sections CP?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
brum
FM
FM


Number of posts : 2808
Age : 76
Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire
Cap Badge : RA/QOH
Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich
Registration date : 2010-03-02

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   22/8/2013, 11:29

That Tac sign must've been introduced after the Great Exodus, in the mid 60s.

While I was in 24 the CP was always "H".

By the way Shelldrake, it seems to me that there should be a Gunner-related caption for your avatar.

"Bad ram" springs to mind.

Back to top Go down
View user profile
kevinp55
LCpl
LCpl


Number of posts : 9
Localisation : 3rd january
Cap Badge : royal horse guards
Places Served : windsor herford raf pergamos cyprus
Registration date : 2014-03-22

PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   18/4/2014, 11:04

pete26capt saracens were in baor also saladins my regiment Royal Horse Guards had them
also ferrets this was in 1962-66
kevinp
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Alvis Saracen - History   

Back to top Go down
 
Alvis Saracen - History
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Alvis Saracen - History
» A Sort Of History of BMH Iserlohn
» BMH HISTORY
» Canadian holdings history
» Mansergh Bks - History

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
BFG/BAOR/RAFG Locations :: Trying to Find-
Jump to: