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PostSubject: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   20/2/2009, 14:37

Have purchased several maps produced by the War Office in 1945
Iserlohn along with Dortmund & Hamm as they border the Iserlohn map also Hameln there must have been a shortage of paper in those days as the the map was printed on the back of a 1940 German map of Maryborough Ireland! confused If appears that ownership of the map does not give you copyright that appears to still remain with the crown study can anybody expand on this?


Last edited by steve on 20/3/2018, 20:06; edited 4 times in total (Reason for editing : Remove email address and list of maps by request from seller)
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Number of posts : 817
Age : 65
Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   20/2/2009, 17:14

That is some list of maps, Steve!

What sort of price are they fetching? (probably out of my league anyway).

Paul.
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Number of posts : 817
Age : 65
Localisation : Limavady, N.I.
Cap Badge : R.E.M.E.
Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong
Registration date : 2008-04-06

PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   20/2/2009, 17:35

Steve wrote:
..... appears that ownership of the map does not give you copyright that appears to still remain with the crown study can anybody expand on this?

From what I can gather, Crown Copyright can apply to a multitude of documents, etc - the ins and outs have passed over my scrambled noggin at about the stratosphere Very Happy

One thing I did find was that the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 change a whole heap of things, including the length of time the Copyright is in force (of items already covered I take it) - 50 years from the date of said Act which makes it January 1st 2040 Exclamation

It might pay to contact the Office of Public Sector Information about Crown Copyright. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ or www.opsi.gov.uk/about/contact-us/index

Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   20/2/2009, 18:28

Paul wrote:
That is some list of maps, Steve!

What sort of price are they fetching? (probably out of my league anyway).

Paul.

Hi Paul
Just ask...guess the more you buy the better the price!
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PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   20/2/2009, 18:38

Paul wrote:
Steve wrote:
..... appears that ownership of the map does not give you copyright that appears to still remain with the crown study can anybody expand on this?

From what I can gather, Crown Copyright can apply to a multitude of documents, etc - the ins and outs have passed over my scrambled noggin at about the stratosphere Very Happy

One thing I did find was that the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 change a whole heap of things, including the length of time the Copyright is in force (of items already covered I take it) - 50 years from the date of said Act which makes it January 1st 2040 Exclamation

It might pay to contact the Office of Public Sector Information about Crown Copyright. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ or www.opsi.gov.uk/about/contact-us/index

Paul.

Hi Paul
Thanks for that...have been down the road with another website that I put together and it seems if you publish Crown Copyright material you need a licence which I have...just unsure of the rules so as always seek advice cheers
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Localisation : Gtr Manchester
Cap Badge : R.Signals
Places Served : BAOR, UK, Mid East, Far East, Cent America
Registration date : 2009-02-21

PostSubject: Purchasing maps?   21/2/2009, 09:46

Steve wrote:
Have purchased several maps produced by the War Office in 1945

I noticed that you removed the sellers e-mail at his request. I would be very interested in buying some of these maps so can you tell us who the seller is and how to get in touch?
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PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   21/2/2009, 13:35

mjm34 wrote:
Steve wrote:
Have purchased several maps produced by the War Office in 1945

I noticed that you removed the sellers e-mail at his request. I would be very interested in buying some of these maps so can you tell us who the seller is and how to get in touch?

The seller is not happy that I printed the list so please email me your address as a private message and will pass it on
Cheers
Steve
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Number of posts : 134
Age : 71
Localisation : Porta Westfalica
Cap Badge : RA
Places Served : Oswestry, Paderborn, Barnard Castle, Catterick, NI, Bristol, Cyprus, Munsterlager, NI,Sennelager , NI , Rge Control/STC Sennelager/ GSU Sennelager as Civvy
Registration date : 2013-09-23

PostSubject: 1: 100,000 AMS M641 (GSGS 4416) 1944 Coverage   31/10/2015, 15:24

AMS 641 1:100,000 Library Maps:  over printed with    Nord de Guerre Grid (Datum point Paris)  important for helping to tie-up GR found in War Diary (BR) / After Action Review (US)  reports   and the places they mean!

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/index_map.jpg

only the Lauenburg   Map sheet  (Elbe Crossing)  is missing  from this collection.

Here the 1:25,000 AMS M841 (GSGS4414) are listed alphabetically most, although printed at the end of WW2 (1945 -51), have the German Grid and so cannot be used to identify GR given in War Diaries or After Action reviews - albeit maps at this scale are often sufficiently detailed to identify larger sites (Barracks / airfields) and roads. All sheets are marked with Latitude and Longitude (along edges of map) so that places identified on the maps (with a little line drawing) can be compared with current GPS or Google / Bing Maps.

I haven't tried printing any out but each sheet is around 1.2 Mb

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/search/collection/GermanyMaps



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Number of posts : 139
Age : 71
Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
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Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
Registration date : 2016-12-16

PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   16/3/2018, 12:41

Map sheets revisited - these are in a library so suitable for reference and chasing movements reported in War Diaries and after action reviews (AAR)

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-kiel-j4.jpg incl Eckernfoerde

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-heiligenhafen-j5.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-stralsund-j7.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-cuxhaven-k3.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-neumunster-k4.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-lubeck-k5.jpg and Ploen

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-emden-l1.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-wilhelmshaven-l2.jpg​

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-bremerhaven-l3.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-hamburg-l4.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-oldenburg-m2.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-osnabruck-n2.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-minden-n3.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-munster-p2.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-detmold-p3.jpg

http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/central_europe/txu-pclmaps-oclc-6624264-paderborn-q3.jpg
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Number of posts : 786
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Localisation : near Cuxhaven
Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers
Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln
Registration date : 2010-02-14

PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   17/3/2018, 09:23

The 1:100,000 is too small for location detail and yet to find online Nord de Guerre early 1:25,000 maps

TIP! Download the later 1:25,000 for the region then crop and print off the town/area required, using the 1:100,000 as a guide draw the grid lines in and label, as have found the on line Nord de Guerre converter http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-translator.php not always correct
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Localisation : Berkshire
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Rotenburg Ploen Lippstadt Hamm Wetter Minden Munster Bielefeldt Dusseldorf
Registration date : 2008-11-09

PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   18/3/2018, 15:24

Paddy

Interesting reference with limitations.

Amazing how few of the 1935 onwards Hitler era barrack complexes are shown (the team have discussed the reasons privately)
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Localisation : near Cuxhaven
Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers
Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln
Registration date : 2010-02-14

PostSubject: Re: British Army Maps of Germany 1945   20/3/2018, 19:43

steve wrote:
The 1:100,000 is too small for location detail and yet to find online Nord de Guerre early 1:25,000 maps

TIP! Download the later 1:25,000 for the region then crop and print off the town/area required, using the 1:100,000 as a guide draw the grid lines in and label, as have found the on line Nord de Guerre converter http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-translator.php not always correct

Update: Found today that some of the 1:25,000 maps will show parts of the Nord de Guerre grid on the outer edge with a number and very short blue line...you will need to zoom in and have good eyesight to find it...confirming the echodelta converter can be circa 100 meters out!
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