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recce83 WOI


Number of posts: 189 Age: 73 Localisation: Peachland British Columbia, Canada Cap Badge: Black Watch of Canada Places Served: 4 CIBG Soest and Werl 1957-1965, Camp Borden, Camp Gagetown Registration date: 2009-06-04
 | Subject: British Frontier Service 3/3/2011, 19:08 | |
| It would be interesting to hear from former members of the British Frontier service and read about some of their experiences on the former GDR border and so on.
From what I've read and been told, they played a huge role in settling border disputes and generally keeping things as peaceful as possible with a common sense attitude (as opposed to the odd BGS hot-head who wanted to start a punch-up) due to their military experience as senior NCOs and WOs as well as their linguistic abilities and local knowledge.
Any takers? |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 3/3/2011, 20:36 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Frontier_Service |
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Hardrations Brig


Number of posts: 713 Localisation: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Cap Badge: RC Sigs (RTG Op) / CF Logistics (Cook) Places Served: Germany, Egypt, Cyprus, CFS Alert and some other strange places Registration date: 2007-12-16
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 3/3/2011, 23:14 | |
| | gallahad wrote: | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Frontier_Service |
Good site Gallahad. I remember in 67 having to deal with them for buying a new Fiat. For some reason you got papers from them in Bonn, drove to the Dutch border in to Holland remove the German plates, took the brown paper off the Canadian plates, drove back into Germany and it was all legal. Don' t know what the reason was, but I do remember thinking how there uniforms closely resembled navy togs. |
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recce83 WOI


Number of posts: 189 Age: 73 Localisation: Peachland British Columbia, Canada Cap Badge: Black Watch of Canada Places Served: 4 CIBG Soest and Werl 1957-1965, Camp Borden, Camp Gagetown Registration date: 2009-06-04
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 4/3/2011, 01:42 | |
| Yes, they've done a good job on that site. They mention David Spears' book "The Ugly Frontier" as a reference. It's been out of print for a million years now, but if you find it in a used book store somewhere, it makes a very interesting and informative read. My only dealing with them was at Dusseldorf Airport when they came on the bus and stamped "Cancelled" on the status of forces page in my wife's passport - the one that got dependents into the MLS and NAAFI - before we boarded our RCAF Yukon for an interminable trip to Trenton, Ontario. (Interminable due to the mother and father of all hangovers. See earlier post re: party at the gasthof in Wickede the previous night). |
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Hardrations Brig


Number of posts: 713 Localisation: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Cap Badge: RC Sigs (RTG Op) / CF Logistics (Cook) Places Served: Germany, Egypt, Cyprus, CFS Alert and some other strange places Registration date: 2007-12-16
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 4/3/2011, 01:56 | |
| As like you I was suffering one good hangover. But I don't remember seeing the BFS stamping any passports. That was in Dec 68. Those Yukon's were one special way of traveling. They had just changed the ruling about having to wear uniform, so it was a comfortable trip that way. I think after that I only wore the old woollen battle dress one more time. |
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recce83 WOI


Number of posts: 189 Age: 73 Localisation: Peachland British Columbia, Canada Cap Badge: Black Watch of Canada Places Served: 4 CIBG Soest and Werl 1957-1965, Camp Borden, Camp Gagetown Registration date: 2009-06-04
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 4/3/2011, 02:09 | |
| Maybe your eyes weren't quite open yet, or they changed the procedure after June '65. I guess we should mention that the Yukon was a Canadian version of the Bristol Britannia. Were the seats still facing aft when you came back? |
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jim Let Gen


Number of posts: 1226 Localisation: Sutton Coldfield Cap Badge: RAOC Places Served: Dad, Hamburg, Bad Oeynhausen, Iserlohn, Bury, Osnabruck, Worcester. Me Detmold, Bielefeld, NI, HK Registration date: 2008-01-03
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 4/3/2011, 11:43 | |
| That's an interesting Link, I never had any dealings with them though |
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steve LE Maj


Number of posts: 430 Age: 63 Localisation: near Cuxhaven Cap Badge: Royal Signals + Royal Engineers Places Served: Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln Registration date: 2010-02-14
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 4/3/2011, 12:11 | |
| Good site Gallahad. I remember in 67 having to deal with them for buying a new Fiat. For some reason you got papers from them in Bonn, drove to the Dutch border in to Holland remove the German plates, took the brown paper off the Canadian plates, drove back into Germany and it was all legal. Don' t know what the reason was, but I do remember thinking how there uniforms closely resembled navy togs.
It was the clearing of the German purchase tax the cars were exported and re-imported with an import licence for sometime now vehicles supplied from within Germany are cleared of tax with an abwicklunsgchein with the NAAFI as the procurement agency US and Canadian forces had their own agencies the "British Frontier Service" does exist today in a different form "Customs and Immigration" and import and export licenses for BFG private vehicles are supplied by them and they act as the link between the military and German authorities and veterans living in Germany get authority to shop in the NAAFI from them hope this helps |
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JPW Lt Col

Number of posts: 396 Age: 71 Localisation: Berkshire Cap Badge: REME Places Served: Rotenburg Ploen Lippstadt Hamm Wetter Minden Munster Bielefeldt Dusseldorf Registration date: 2008-11-09
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 4/3/2011, 16:00 | |
| Hardrations
You are correct, when the BFS organisation was set up as part of the Control Commision Germany their first Commander was a former Naval Officer, naturally he adapted the appropriate RN uniforms for BFS use |
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Themaadone Maj


Number of posts: 270 Localisation: Near London Cap Badge: RAOC/RLC/AGC Places Served: Bielefeld, Guetersloh, Viersen, Bracht, Falklands, Aldershot, Leconsfield, NI, Rwanda, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan Registration date: 2010-09-02
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 5/3/2011, 12:04 | |
| I recall an article in the 90s in Soldier Magazine and seeing one of the ay JHQ RheinD. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 8/3/2011, 01:56 | |
| On Border Patrol the BFS guy told us of a couple of incidents in which he was involved. An East German work team was renewing the demarcation poles along the River Elbe. The East German Border at that point was at the edge of the water on the far side of the river. The BFS man said he would not allow the East Germans to step a few feet into West Germany to facilitate the erection of these poles. They had to stand in the water, with the BFS guy almost straddling the pole, while swinging the sledge between his legs. |
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Shelldrake Let Gen


Number of posts: 1480 Localisation: Kyrenia Cap Badge: Royal Artillery Places Served: Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh Registration date: 2010-10-26
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 8/3/2011, 18:05 | |
| I applied to join the BFS on my run up to demob in 86, I got a very nice letter telling me that they weren't recruiting at the moment but would keep my application on file. Do you think I should send them a reminder |
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lesty LCpl

Number of posts: 9 Cap Badge: royal artillery Places Served: rhyll, dortmund Registration date: 2011-03-14
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 27/3/2011, 18:34 | |
| train guard to berlin goods train 5 rounds per man had stand off with rusky saved by train whistle they had k47s |
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Hardrations Brig


Number of posts: 713 Localisation: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Cap Badge: RC Sigs (RTG Op) / CF Logistics (Cook) Places Served: Germany, Egypt, Cyprus, CFS Alert and some other strange places Registration date: 2007-12-16
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 28/3/2011, 01:50 | |
| | recce83 wrote: | | Maybe your eyes weren't quite open yet, or they changed the procedure after June '65. I guess we should mention that the Yukon was a Canadian version of the Bristol Britannia. Were the seats still facing aft when you came back? |
My apologies for missing your msg on this recce. I'm fairly sure the seats were facing towards the front. My last flight in a Yukon was in Feb. 71. They had the 707 in service then but it couldn't land in Norway for return of troops from the Northern NATO Defense exercise. The Yukon's were in storage in Trenton prior to being shipped of to South America. Apparently the D of D still owned them so flew one over to get us. In July of 71 I was posted back to Germany, the 707's still had that new car smell. |
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malaboman Sgt

Number of posts: 38 Localisation: Harrogate, UK Cap Badge: REME Places Served: Deepcut, Arborfield, Gosport,Osnabruck, Minden, Aden, Berlin. Registration date: 2009-07-12
 | Subject: Re: British Frontier Service 29/3/2011, 13:09 | |
| Steve, would you or someone else be so kind as to confirm that UK veterans living in Germany are allowed to shop in the NAAFI (if they can find one !) |
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