Allied Control Commission Germany 1945

Hi,

I have a photograph of my Grandfather, Jens Frederick Thorn, a retired Police Sergeant, with a inscription on the back dated March 1946 "standing outside the British Headquarters in Berlin."

I have plans to visit Berlin in March 2019 and would love to know the whereabouts in Berlin of the Allied Control Commission HQ and whether there is any evidence of it today. Even to visit the road would be great.
My understanding is that it may have been in the Charlottenburg district?

Does anyone know this information?

Additionally, it would be useful to know where my Grandfather would have been barracked and any information of what an ex Police officer would have been doing from day to day in Berlin at this time.

My Grandfather was 51 at the time and married with 3 grown up children and contrived to meet a German lady in Berlin whom he eventually married in 1951.

Previously he had been a Police Office in London's East End and was probably at the battle of Cable Street!

Unfortunately, there's no-one left for me to find out more about this intriguing story!

Any information would be gratefully received, particularly on what is still to see in modern day Berlin.

Thanks,

Colin

Colin

Can give you an address for the Headquarters British Troops Berlin as at 31 Mar 47, as taken from a copy of an original document:

Marine House, Krisordamm (bad spelling should be Kaiserdamm), Charlottenburg, Berlin

This document was in the book "Berlin and the British Ally 1945 - 1990 by Major General RJS Corbett CB"

Hope this helps and best of luck with your research

https://britisharmyingermany.com (under construction)

Thanks Steve,

That's most useful. This gives me a focal point to move forward!

I'm going to try and find the book you quoted too.

Much appreciated.

Colin

Colin

Some addresses from the Location Statement of 15 May 1946 follow.

Dave



HQ BTB
Marine House, Kaiserdamm

HQ 130 Inf Bde
7 Alemannenallee

Life Guards
Montgomery Barracks, Lanzendorfer Weg, Kladow
1 Dorset
Mackenzie-King Barracks, Berkaer Str
5 Dorset
Alexander Barracks, Stadtrandstr
7 Hamps
Wavell Barracks, Seektstr, Spandau


HQ Mil Gov BTB
Reichskanzlerplatz
HQ BTB (Camp)
Ratzeburger Allee
HQ BTB (Adm Brick)
Ratzeburger Allee


MIL GOV

HQ Mil Gov, Wilmersdorf, CCG (BE)
Deutsche Auslander, Westfalische Str and 8 Max-Eyth-Str
HQ Mil Gov, Spandau, CCG (BE)
31 Radelandstr
HQ Mil Gov, Tiergarten, CCG (BE)
90 Altmoabit
HQ Mil Gov, Charlottenburg, CCG (BE)
8 Ulmenallee

British Central Police Station
61 Knesebeckstr, Charlottenburg

Thanks Dave. The British Central Police Station looks promising.

From your experience and knowledge of the subject, where would you think an ex Police officer would likely have been barracked? I can link him loosely to the Charlottenburg / Spandau regions.

Could it have been at any of the specific army barrack locations?

Thanks for all this info.

Colin.

Dave

Many thanks for the Location Statement for 15 May 46

Have been able to update my BRITISH TROOPS BERLIN page

https://britisharmyingermany.com (under construction)

Corrections welcome!

Colin

Sorry, I really have no idea. He may have been billeted in a private house. if he was working for Mil Gov then he might have stayed in the camp

HQ BTB (Camp)
Ratzeburger Allee

Dave

Allied Control Council building in Berlin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=--DK3kTypuA

My father (Sid Willmouth) stayed on in Germany after the war as part of the Control Commission in Hamburg. My mother and I went out to join him in 1947 (I was 3) and we lived in Hamburg until 1950. I was too young to understand what the Control Commission was. I know the Old Man had control of transport - from what I gather around 1000 cars and a large number of German drivers.

Hi JGW,

Interested to read your input about your father's post war roll in CCG Hamburg,  ie. Control of Transport.

I find this Spooky!  I did some research work a few years ago for a lady in the USA concerning The Communist Party in Hamburg (KPD) immediate post war.  She was interested in tracking down a named person, who was working in the KPD.

No! I never found the named person in the many KPD - CCG letters of correspondence which are held at the Archives at Kew, London. However, there are a few letters marked "SECRET" regarding KPD leaders in Hamburg 'demanding', that the British CCG should supply X no of cars for delegates to attend a big meeting in Berlin.  

There are a few letters of the approx 200 photographed docs I have that refer to 'Transport ' matters.

Many of the scans, which are typed in English and German with translations and are not the best to read due to fading. Most docs  have clear, but scribbly CCG Sigs. Some have rank and position included.

I have quickly looked through them. Nothing looking like your dad's name. What rank did he hold?

I believe you can't PM me for a while as a new member to the site. I am willing to supply these docs to you, should you wish to look at them? A memory stick, which you should send me, should do the job.

Are you in Uk? We can discuss method of sending copies once address is known.

Regards
Alan in Kings Lynn



PS. These docs attached refer to a complaint about  cars, I presume CCG provided these ones? Approx 100 cars being off limits at a weekend and at a Boxing match.  

Old Berlin and Potsdam Guided Tours (US American Forces Services) pre 1950

http://www.berlinbrats.org/pdfs/50GuideToBerlin.pdf Map at page 37
http://www.berlinbrats.org/scrapbook/57%20Special%20Services%20Berlin%20Tour%20Booklet.pdf
easier to read no sketch map.

http://www.berlinbrats.org/pdfs/50TourOfPotsdam.pdf

 

Zonal Executive Offices           12 Lübbecke, Minden, Bad Salzufflen, Herford,
Hamburg, Bad Oeynhausen, Baden-Baden
Trade & Industry                     20 Minden, Bad Pyrmont, Hamburg, Essen, Leverküsen Food & Agriculture 10 Hamburg, Hannover, Oldenburg, Bonn, Hamburg, Unna
Reparations, Deliveries
& Restitution                                    6 Detmold
Transport                                   26 Herford, Bielefeld, Hamburg, Lustringen, Hannover, Göttingen, Kuperdren (Essen), Wuppertal, Cologne (Köln), Hannover-Bucholz, Duisbrg-Ruhrort, Hiltrup, Hamburg, Lübeck, Emden
Manpower                                   9 Lemgo
Internal Affairs &
Communications                            21 Bunde, Bad Salzufflen, Hannover,Braunschweig, Düsseldorf, Köln, Kiel, Münster, Dortmund, Hamburg, Hiltrup
Public Health                              9 Düsseldorf, Celle, Hamburg, Dortmund, Kiel, Wuppertal, Verden, Neunkirchen, Goslar
Prisoners of War &
Displaced Persons                 42 Lemgo, Göttingen, Hannover, Rastede, Bad Rehburg (Nienburg area) , Luneburg, Uetze, Orbenjeza, Neheim, Bassum, Celle, Dalhausen, Hordstemmen, Wentdorf, Oldenburg, Meppen, Kiel, Lübeck, Bad Godesberg, Warendorf, Hamburg, Boghorst, Siegen, Hameln, Hilden, Hahenklee, Braunschweig, Marienthal, Bergen, Stade, Bedburg, Goslar, Osnabrück, Meschede
Political                                4 Lübbecke, Hamburg
Finance                                8 Hamburg, Oldenburg
Legal                                  10 Herford
Public Relations &
Information Services Control     19 Bunde, Herford, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Hannover, Köln, Kiel,  
North German Timber Control   10 Hamburg, Duneburg, Minden
North German Coal Control     8 Essen, Hamborn, Recklinghausen, Bredeney, Bochum, Kohlscheid, Köln
T Force                    14 Bad Oeynhausen, Kamen, Heisingen, Ratingen, Leichlingen, Bad Nenndorf, Grosse Ilsede, Rotenburg, Hamburg, Duneberg
Local Administrative Units    11 Lübbecke, Berlin, Hamburg
Intelligence                       195 Herford + 90 locations

Extracted from https://www.ccgermany.org.uk/contents authored by Diana Goldsworthy (whose father had been in CCG in Lübbecke) very much work in progress

https://www.ccgermany.org.uk/about and receptive to data, photos and information on CCG(BE)

Hi all. My great-uncle, George Noakes, joined the Control Commission Germany in 1946, and in 1949 moved over to the High Commission in Bonn until 1954. I understand he worked on ‘smuggling’ so I’m not sure what division that would have been. of all the (fairly amazing) things he did in his life, his time at the CCG/High Commission is completely undocumented from family records. Does anyone have any ideas where I might be able to locate him?

PB1963!

You have to start somewhere and 75 years ago is a long time for anyone to remember a name or a face,
BUT  you could start here:

https://www.ccgermany.org.uk/contents
authored by Diana Goldsworthy CBE (whose father had been in CCG in Lübbecke 1945)
very much work in progress

https://www.ccgermany.org.uk/about and receptive to data, photos and information on CCG(BE)

on his move to BONN  in 1954 would imagine your relative had entered the
Joint Services Liaison Organisation (JSLO, Villa Spiritus, BFPO 19) and the link to smuggling
(Customs Controls) might now about to be regulated by the NATO Status of Forces Agreement
(1955)  would flow through that Office. British Frontier Service  who supplied customs officers
to points of entry for British Forces Ports and rail lines (Air Trooping made control points much easier to reach and service at respectsble times).  
Other BFS officers in Naval Uniforms accompanied military patrols long the Inner German Border
from Schleswig to link at the edge of the US Zone.
The Police Liaison Office in Düsseldorf connected with Land NRW on criminal, traffic offences and paternity claims, there was a similar Office at Hannover for Niedersachsen, Hamburg too.
Records in the National Archive (formerly Public Records Office, Kew) are (according to date)
filed variously under:
21 Army Group,
Office of Judge Advocate General (JAG), Bad Salzuflen,
Foreign Office,
Control Commission for Germany (British Element)  CCG(BE)
Allied Control Commission for Germany
JSLO Bonn
HQ BAOR

[left]PB1963!

deleted duplicate!

Thanks very much - that’s all really useful!