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PostSubject: Re: national service   31/8/2012, 16:02


And behold . . . his wish was granted ! Idea
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PostSubject: Re: national service   31/8/2012, 16:12

During my N/S I was only a Signalman, but some around me got promoted either by attending a NCO's course or getting 'made up in the field' I did my B2 and got my 'O' shoulder flash, I could have been made up in the field, as I ran the Field Kitchens when were out on exercises, but NO, but 5 weeks before my demob, my OC, told me I was to go on a NCO's course, I asked him how long the couse was, he replied two weeks, I asked how long after that do I get paid the extra for being a NCO, he replied 4 weeks, I told him I only had 5 week to do, he called me a B.....d and to get out of his office.

So why am I now being shown on my profile as a L/Cpl ???? and when do I get paid for the promotion ???

Tom Withers Signalman 1 Corps Signal Regt 55/56 confused
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PostSubject: Re: national service   31/8/2012, 16:15

Don't get excited Tom, its an unpaid appointment.

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PostSubject: Re: national service   31/8/2012, 22:46

ciphers wrote:
Don't get excited Tom, its an unpaid appointment.

Len (Ciphers)

Also:
Unloved
Unwanted
Unappreciated
Underpaid
AND OVER WORKED! Crying or Very sad

PS: Welcome Tom. Don't expect any of the inmates to share their meds. or booze with you.
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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 04:40

Hi Tom,
Welcome to the forum.
Promotions shown in the forum are related exclusively to the number of posts one makes to
the forum.
Took me a long time to figure that out as well.
What is taking me considerably longer is to try to understand the British barrack room
jargon used in these forums.
For example, the term "squadie " appears regularly; I think it's a derogatory term.
I asked my daughter-in-law, who served in the Canadian Army, what she thought it meant.
She fancies herself as a bit of a military linguist as her father served in the RN in WW2
She said, that's easy; it's derived from the verb to squat; ergo an adult who is still not toilet
trained. Where I live in Huron County, Ont, frequently referred to as urine County as it's
largely agricultural, we have a far better synonym, "a useless tit".
Ritter
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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 04:56

Definition of squaddie
noun (plural squaddies)British informal
a private soldier.

There are many other definitions Bob, but really not good to post

When I was in:
Infantry: Grunt (USA) Groundpounder (Cdn)
Special forces : Snake Eater
RCAF: Blue Jobs
RCN: Hairy Bags

I imagine with the Canadian Army being Americanized that they tend to go towards their silliness. I just hope that the Cdn Army doesn't go as far as wearing white laces in their boots on parade as the Yanks do. Mind the RCAF Police in 68 in Lahr were wearing white laces in their boots and armed with .32 cal pistols. They really didn't know what to make of us ruffians from the SSM Bty and our remarks on their dress and weapons when we passed through on adventure training. I noticed that things changed after the Bde was posted down to Lahr/Baden. Must have been the example set by our Meat Heads (MP's) with their military bearing and out look.


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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 04:57

Its generally accepted that the word for a British Soldier, Squaddie is derived from the word Swaddy, the name given by the British to locally enlisted Indians into the Indian (British) Army during Queen Victoria's day. Being called a Squaddie is not a derogatory term just the accepted name adopted to describe a Soldier.

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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 09:00

I always thought that the term `squaddie` came from the fact that soldiers formed up in squads, therefore being part of a squad makes you a squaddie.

In the same way a member of the Navy can be called a `Swabbie` from the fact that sailors have to Swab the decks.

There must be lots of different ways of forming an answer to this but which one is true.

Tom, the more you post the higher the rank.

Just shows that occifers have more mouth than trousers, i suppose..
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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 09:27

ciphers wrote:
Its generally accepted that the word for a British Soldier, Squaddie is derived from the word Swaddy, the name given by the British to locally enlisted Indians into the Indian (British) Army during Queen Victoria's day. Being called a Squaddie is not a derogatory term just the accepted name adopted to describe a Soldier.

Len (Ciphers)

I'm in full agreement with Len's answer.

In addition,"Squaddie" never was a derogatory term, any more than the Yank's "Doughboy" or "G I".
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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 09:58

Squaddie - a soldier. Commonly used mis-spelling of the word 'swaddy'. This derived from the days of the army in India when swaddies were irregular Indian troops used as 'cannon-fodder' and for fatigues.

It was also used by the British soldiers of themselves to indicate that they were being treated like swaddies, and this spelling and usage survived at least up until the Second World War in army circles (of the line from Hamish Henderson's famous song from the Sicily campaign Poor bloody swaddies are weary). This wasn't understood outside the military and was often mis-spelt 'squaddie', particularly in newspapers.


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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 11:25

MY NEW BOYFRIENDS !!!



I am seeing 5 gentlemen (give or take) every day!.

As soon as I wake up, Will Power helps me get out of bed.


Then I go to see John.






Then Arthur Ritis shows up & stays the rest of the day.
He doesn't like to stay in one place very long so he takes me from joint to joint.






After such a busy day, I'm really tired & very glad to go to bed with Earl Grey.

What a life!
Oh, yes, I'm also flirting with Al Zymer;
or whatever his name is. I forget !

and I'm thinking of calling JACK DANIELS, Captain Morgan or JOHNNY WALKER to come over and keep me company.

Now remember:

Life is like a roll of toilet paper.....the closer it gets to the end,
the faster it goes.
So have fun, think 'good thoughts' only,
learn to laugh at yourself, and 'count your blessings!!!








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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 11:32

I thought about this one recently, when I had a Pacemaker fitted.
Tom Withers


Cardiologist and Motorcycle Mechanic



A motorcycle mechanic was removing a cylinder head from the motor of a BMW M3 when he spotted a well-known cardiologist in his shop.


The cardiologist was there waiting for the service manager to come and take a look at his car when the mechanic shouted across the garage, "Hey Doc, want to take a look at this?" The cardiologist, a bit surprised walked over to where the mechanic was working on the motorcycle.


The mechanic straightened up, wiped his hands on a rag and asked, "So Doc, look at this engine. I opened its heart, took the valves out, repaired or replaced anything damaged, and then put everything back in, and when I finished, it worked just like new. So how is that I make $24,000 a year and you make $1.7M when you and I are doing basically the same work?"


The cardiologist paused, leaned over, and then whispered to the mechanic.....


"Try doing it with the engine running"













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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 11:37

I have a lot more of these, but this will do for now.

Tom Withers

During the recent royal wedding, the millions around the world saw that Prince William chose to wear a uniform that included the famous British "red coat."

Many people have asked, "Why did the British wear red coats in battle?"

A long time ago, Britain and France were at war. During one battle, the French captured a British Colonel. They took him to their headquarters, and the French General began to question him. Finally, as an afterthought, the French General asked, "Why do you British officers all wear red coats? Don't you know the red material makes you easier targets for us to shoot at?"

In his casual, matter-of-fact, way, the officer informed the General that the reason British officers wear red coats is so that if they are wounded, the blood won't show, and the men they are leading won't panic.

And that is why, from that day forward, all French Army officers wear brown trousers.




















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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 11:39

I am now a Cpl, in the REME, can I please be a Cpl in the Royal Signals. ??

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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 22:00

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Thank you all for your definitions and explanations for the term"squaddie". I appreciate your responses and sincerely hope that I have not offended anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 22:12

I can't speak for the others mentioned, but I am totally pissed !!!! .... then again a six pack of Molsons generally has that effect on me ... lol

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PostSubject: Re: national service   1/9/2012, 22:30

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Thank you all for your definitions and explanations for the term"squaddie". I appreciate your responses and sincerely hope that I have not offended anyone.
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Your mess bill should give you an indication....


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PostSubject: Re: national service   2/9/2012, 12:03

My thanks too, my father was born in India (the soon of a serving soldier) and returned there in the mid 30s (he reconned it was probably one of the best tours he had during his entire 30 plus years of service)

He often used the word swaddie as a term of pride/endearment , nowadays the word squaddie appears to be more often used as a word of contempt such as "bloody squaddies" or on a local pub noticeboard a few years back "squaddies banned from this establishment"

Bob R you are coming dangerously close to being awarded an honourary commission , watch your mess bills rise astronomically thanks to the alcoholic tendencies of our General Staff
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Take more than that to upset a thick skinned old fart like me. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: national service   3/9/2012, 17:27

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ritter wrote:
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Thank you all for your definitions and explanations for the term"squaddie". I appreciate your responses and sincerely hope that I have not offended anyone.
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Take more than that to upset a thick skinned old fart like me. Very Happy



Welcome Tom yep just a bunch of old tarts we are think maybe I'm just the mini tart being as me is the youngest and OHHHHH I lovv that STELLA ARTTWAHHHH hey ho happy days lol!
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PostSubject: Re: national service   4/9/2012, 08:46

John Boy It is nice to have contact with a ACC member, I have been trying for along time to find out how the ACC made the nice thick Chocolate Drink we had in the very cold weather when we were out on winter exercises, can you please give me the recipe ??

Tom Withers Field Kitchen Cook BAOR15 Royal Signals
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PostSubject: Re: national service   4/9/2012, 14:20

I have a memory of a incident involving a member of the ACC.

I arrived in Maresfield Bks in the late afternoon 6th January 1955, after getting our kit into our room, we went to the cookhouse for our evening meal, on the next morning, my very first breakfast in 1 Corps, two ACC chaps were carrying a urn of hot tea to the serving counter, when one of them slipped and the urn spilt most of the hot tea onto one of the chaps lower body and legs, he was taken to hopital, and we did not hear any more about the incident, in July 1956, about three days before I left 1 Corps for demob, we heard that the ACC chap involved in that incident was to return to duty the next morning, you can guess the noise of the loud cheer we all gave hime when he came into the dinning room, 18 month in hospital and recovery, it was nice to see him back with us.

Tom Withers 1 Corps
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PostSubject: Re: national service   4/9/2012, 14:35

Mr Brian Davison RAOC, has written a book, entitled 'National Service Exploits' in which ex National Servicemen have written about some of their exploits while serving their National Service, he is intending to write a second edition, if any ex N/S Royal Signals or other regiment personnel would like to contribute, as, like me, I am sure that they will have a 'tale to tell', if they do will they please contact Brian at this e-mail address, with around 750 words, which ideally would incorporate two or three tales if possible. bhdavison@Hotmail.co.UK

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PostSubject: Re: national service   4/9/2012, 21:08

Tom Withers wrote:
I have a memory of a incident involving a member of the ACC.

I arrived in Maresfield Bks in the late afternoon 6th January 1955, after getting our kit into our room, we went to the cookhouse for our evening meal, on the next morning, my very first breakfast in 1 Corps, two ACC chaps were carrying a urn of hot tea to the serving counter, when one of them slipped and the urn spilt most of the hot tea onto one of the chaps lower body and legs, he was taken to hopital, and we did not hear any more about the incident, in July 1956, about three days before I left 1 Corps for demob, we heard that the ACC chap involved in that incident was to return to duty the next morning, you can guess the noise of the loud cheer we all gave hime when he came into the dinning room, 18 month in hospital and recovery, it was nice to see him back with us.

Tom Withers 1 Corps

Nice to see you climbing the promotion ladder Tom !
Question 1.
Are you talking about the Maresfield Bks, BAOR or the Maresfield camp near Uckfield, Sussex ?
Question 2.
What were the Banjo Jockeys doing, carrying a tea urn ? That's Gunners work !
Observation.
Such an incident would not have resulted in the aforesaid injuries in any regiment I served with - the tea was always bleedin' cold !
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