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+5cartav jimsigs1 JPW steve Barrie Hughes 9 posters | Author | Message |
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Barrie Hughes Private
Number of posts : 1 Registration date : 2012-07-30
| Subject: Information required 30/7/2012, 11:05 | |
| My name is Barrie Hughes, from Napier in New Zealand. My father was a member of the CCG from 1946 until ?. The rest of our family ( my mother, brother and self) moved to Germany in '46. Initally we lived in Lemgo and then Bad Honnef. I remember going to school at an Army base in Herford. (down the autobahn in a VW Beetle.) Anyway I am going to both Lemgo and to Bad Honnef in a few weeks time to revisit, (it's my bucket trip) but I'm really finding it difficult to find any info on the CCG, so can anyone give me a lead on where I can find some historical info | |
| | | steve LE Maj
Number of posts : 1027 Age : 75 Localisation : near Cuxhaven Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln Registration date : 2010-02-14
| Subject: Re: Information required 30/7/2012, 12:45 | |
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| | | JPW Let Gen
Number of posts : 1119 Age : 83 Localisation : Berkshire Cap Badge : REME Places Served : Rotenburg Ploen Lippstadt Hamm Wetter Minden Munster Bielefeldt Dusseldorf Registration date : 2008-11-09
| Subject: Re: Information required 31/7/2012, 09:15 | |
| Barrie
Welcome
Steve and I are involved in a joint project to research and record various aspects of the British (and Commonwealth) presence in North West Germany in the immediate post war period that interest us.
You are correct in thinking that there is relatively little concise and accurate information available on the role of the CCG.
At the end of WW2 the victorious Allies were determined that never again would Germany have the opportunity to become a military or naval power in Europe. Similarly a new democratic Federal system of Government would have to be created to replace the Nazi Dictatorship.
The British Army led on military matters but some twenty thousand British civilians (many former servicemen and women) were recruited by the British Foreign Office to form the basis of the new system of Government in what was known as the British Element of Control Commission Germany. Even at local (Parish Council) level the British either appointed their own personnel or imposed a strict level of control whilst the process known as "deNazification" was carried out.
Economic and industrial intelligence was an important task with the British endeavoring to obtain details of German industrial assets and expertise in order to modernise the British (and Commonwealth) equivalent infrastructure.
Another important responsibility was the resettlement of the many millions of ethnic Germans and other refugees who had either fled west from the advancing Soviet Forces or been ejected from their homelands which were no longer considered part of the future Germany (eg the Baltic States or parts of Poland)
There are indications on various websites that the large CCG HQ in Lemgo had some responsibility for this policy including recruiting individuals with particular shortage skills such as nursing to work in the UK (many others were to subsequently emigrate to the USA and other Commonwealth countries)
If you tap in Control Commission Germany Lemgo into your computer search facility you should find some outline details.
I have no details of a CCG presence in Bad Honnef but there are two possibilities.
Firstly Bad Honnef was on the borders of the British and French Zones of Occupation and in the early days movement of all German personnel, including civilians, was very strictly controlled. It is possible that your father was employed as Customs officer involved in the control of transport by road, rail and barge up and down the Rhine Valley.
Alternatively he might have lived in Bad Honnef but worked in nearby Bonn which was evolving as the new Federal Capital of West Germany
Hope these thoughts are helpful, good luck in your quest and enjoy your trip to Europe
Last edited by JPW on 31/7/2012, 17:01; edited 1 time in total | |
| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Information required 31/7/2012, 10:32 | |
| Barrie, Have a great trip on this your nostalgic dream. 1946 is certainly going back a bit. I can only go back to 1952 at Herford,and even then things looked bleak in BAOR although some of the infostructure had been rebuilt by then compared to old Blighty of the same period (Marshall Plan money I suppose). I remember a lot of new houses around the Herford area and do remember the presence of a lot of CCG personnel and their families in and around the area. Jimsigs1 | |
| | | cartav Maj Gen
Number of posts : 784 Age : 94 Localisation : s. yorks Cap Badge : RA (ns) RA, R.Sigs, RE ( TAVR) Places Served : Oswestry, Tonfanau, Woolwich, Osnabruck, MT School Bordon, Bulford, Manorbier, Hameln, R.Sigs Blandford, RSME Chattenden, Western Highlands. Registration date : 2011-04-26
| Subject: Re: Information required 1/8/2012, 09:18 | |
| Reasons to be cheerful .......... 1. It's MINDEN DAY ! Roses issued at first parade, transport to Minden leaves Regt. Square at 1000 hrs ( I wish !) 2. It's Yorkshire Day ! Nowt surprisin' ! It's silin' dahn ag-e-an out theer ! 3. It's Lammas Day ! Give thanks for the heavy rain. If it wasn't so wet, we'd be grafting outside, cutting sheaves of grass. | |
| | | Shelldrake FM
Number of posts : 3048 Localisation : Camberley Cap Badge : Royal Artillery Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh Registration date : 2010-10-26
| Subject: Re: Information required 1/8/2012, 09:54 | |
| David, you forgot to mention that it is also Army Day in China! | |
| | | brum FM
Number of posts : 2808 Age : 83 Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire Cap Badge : RA/QOH Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich Registration date : 2010-03-02
| Subject: Re: Information required 1/8/2012, 09:59 | |
| - Shelldrake wrote:
- David, you forgot to mention that it is also Army Day in China!
Oh great ! Does that mean we'll be seeing more clips of goose-stepping, mini-skirted lovelies ? | |
| | | Shelldrake FM
Number of posts : 3048 Localisation : Camberley Cap Badge : Royal Artillery Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh Registration date : 2010-10-26
| Subject: Re: Information required 1/8/2012, 10:15 | |
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| Subject: Re: Information required 1/8/2012, 10:24 | |
| Ye old cold war just heated up..If they had sent that lot at us there wouldn`t have bin a lot of resistance |
| | | brum FM
Number of posts : 2808 Age : 83 Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire Cap Badge : RA/QOH Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich Registration date : 2010-03-02
| Subject: Re: Information required 1/8/2012, 11:26 | |
| Not for me ! Fortunately there are links to what I like watching. (Make the Brigade of Guards look like shambling oafs). | |
| | | alan8376 Maj Gen
Number of posts : 778 Age : 76 Localisation : Norfolk, UK Cap Badge : REME Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007. Registration date : 2009-07-28
| Subject: Re: Information required 2/8/2012, 08:31 | |
| Guys, You can read the title of this thread. Give Barrie a chance and don't go off on a tangent. Lets keep this thread going with info about Barrie's search and info on CCG.
Thanks.
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| | | "john boy" Maj Gen
Number of posts : 939 Age : 62 Localisation : shrewsbury Cap Badge : acc Places Served : aldershot/albermarle bks ouston-father LI- gib- berlin NI- lemgo- colchester- shrewsbury-tidworth left82 Registration date : 2010-12-30
| | | | JPW Let Gen
Number of posts : 1119 Age : 83 Localisation : Berkshire Cap Badge : REME Places Served : Rotenburg Ploen Lippstadt Hamm Wetter Minden Munster Bielefeldt Dusseldorf Registration date : 2008-11-09
| Subject: Re: Information required 5/8/2012, 17:12 | |
| By sheer coincidence I recently met a man whose family history supports my earlier posting.
At the very end of WW2 his mother in law, whose family lived in the area of Memel on the then borders of East Prussia and Lithuania, fled west in front of the advancing Soviet Forces. The young woman was initially placed in the Goslar area. A trained nurse, she volunteered to move to the UK and Coventry area in particular where she subsequently married a young Englishman. | |
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