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HERITAGE PLUS LCpl
Number of posts : 5 Registration date : 2017-02-16
| Subject: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 16/2/2017, 20:22 | |
| Can any help with details of this company 1945-46 please? | |
| | | steve LE Maj
Number of posts : 1026 Age : 75 Localisation : near Cuxhaven Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln Registration date : 2010-02-14
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 17/2/2017, 08:17 | |
| Welcome
Have listed on the 30 Corps District Order of Battle for 18 June 1945
Two Platoons 719 Artisan Works Company
Not recorded from 8 July 1945 onwards and as yet unable to confirm a location | |
| | | HERITAGE PLUS LCpl
Number of posts : 5 Registration date : 2017-02-16
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 17/2/2017, 09:14 | |
| Many thanks for the lead.
My relative's father , a L/Sgt in this unit, left BAOR on 16 June 1946 for the UK and demob. | |
| | | steve LE Maj
Number of posts : 1026 Age : 75 Localisation : near Cuxhaven Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln Registration date : 2010-02-14
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 17/2/2017, 13:07 | |
| Strange that only shows two platoons and does not appear later, unless I have missed, promise to update if more detail turns up | |
| | | HERITAGE PLUS LCpl
Number of posts : 5 Registration date : 2017-02-16
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 17/2/2017, 13:26 | |
| Thanks Steve your interest is apreciated. | |
| | | Pborn3 WOI
Number of posts : 134 Age : 77 Localisation : Porta Westfalica Cap Badge : RA Places Served : Oswestry, Paderborn, Barnard Castle, Catterick, NI, Bristol, Cyprus, Munsterlager, NI,Sennelager , NI , Rge Control/STC Sennelager/ GSU Sennelager as Civvy Registration date : 2013-09-23
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 22/2/2017, 00:00 | |
| Elsewhere on this site there is well written cover of the subjects of MSO, GSO recruiting, tasking and employment areas: https://bfg-locations.editboard.com/t701-mixed-civilian-labour-groupsone explanation by Bobg dated Jul 2012 and a second by Steve (Cuxhaven) also dated Jul 12. My research shows there were artisan works groups RE in admin tail of the 21 Army Group advance in to Germany to make and mend accn as the columns moved forward. The core personnel used and oversaw local german tradesmen doing the emergency running repairs (cutting off gas leaks, repairing power damages and water pipe bursts etc) or preparing buildings to be used by the Town Resident (fore runner of the Liaison officers) and the District Officers RE and Pioneer Corps recruiters. . Eventually when the movements ceased and peace broke out the (Royal 1946) Pioneer Corps started recruiting local civilian labour to work alongside troops making major repairs to roads and barracks, driving trucks, and labouring. Somewhere there is a complete hierarchy of all the units raised courtesy of the (R)PC in theatre. In addition the Ministry of Works (1962 MPBW) came from England to lend expertise and carry responsibility for repair and maint of captured offices, houses, residences, barracks, airfields, especially as a specialist point of contact within Control Commission for Germany (BR Sector). Min of Wks had to agree for materials to be expended from local or supplied from UK resource. Tasks passed to RE were carried out by local labour resources and supervised by Regular Officers and SNCOs. So even when Pioneer Corps recruited Civilian uniformed Work Groups they quickly took on Corps affiliaton/identities. Sennelager Range was maintained (during the 4 week maintenance close down) by a 256 MCPG RE which were originally based in Krefeld. MCPG and MCAG personnel lived in Barracks! and had tasks throughout BAOR (see link below vis-a-vis Reinsehlen Camp). During the Cold War, in Germany, there was an Entire Engineering group based in Willich near Düsseldorf (40 Regt RE?) called the Military Civilian Plant & Engineering group that had a similar large scale Engineering, Plant and Support role for British Army of the Rhine. Each Command Plant Troop was commanded by an RE Major supported by a Military Plant Foreman. | |
| | | HERITAGE PLUS LCpl
Number of posts : 5 Registration date : 2017-02-16
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 22/2/2017, 11:40 | |
| Pborn. Many thanks for the interesting and very helpful response. The description of the labour tasks and force fits with my man's testimonial on his Notification of impending release form.
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| | | steve LE Maj
Number of posts : 1026 Age : 75 Localisation : near Cuxhaven Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln Registration date : 2010-02-14
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 22/2/2017, 16:36 | |
| During the Cold War, in Germany, there was an Entire Engineering group based in Willich near Düsseldorf (40 Regt RE?) called the Military Civilian Plant & Engineering group that had a similar large scale Engineering, Plant and Support role for British Army of the Rhine. Each Command Plant Troop was commanded by an RE Major supported by a Military Plant Foreman.Thanks Pborn3 I served in 40 Army Support Regiment 75-77 and put together the following https://bfg-locations.editboard.com/t2296-short-history-of-the-royal-engineers-in-willich#36117 | |
| | | HERITAGE PLUS LCpl
Number of posts : 5 Registration date : 2017-02-16
| Subject: Re: 719 Artisan Works Company RE 22/2/2017, 19:12 | |
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