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BobG Lt Col
Number of posts : 330 Age : 85 Localisation : Northumberland Cap Badge : REME Places Served : Rotenburg, Verden, Liebenau, Hohne, Hamm, Duisburg, Minden, Hannover, Fallingbostal, Kuwait, UK, HK, USA/Can. Registration date : 2008-02-27
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 12/4/2011, 17:21 | |
| REME is slightly different, we used to have a Corps RSM but being a technical Corps it was decided it would be more appropriate to have a technical bod as the senior non commissioned rep, so the post of Corps ASM was created. This appears to be working well as he has much better appreciation of what is the Corps main business - mending things you others ave broke.
For Brum, given your venerable status - both age and rank, I assume you mean the 3rd/7th amalgamation. The name you mention does not ring any bells from my time with the QOH.
Bob | |
| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 12/4/2011, 18:09 | |
| Brum,
On the question of QOH, there were 2 or 3 Senior NCO's with Polish sounding names. I was not in 'B' Squadron but in HQ Squadron and I have a photo of the HQ Sqn personnel of that era. After my meal this evening I will have a dig around the loft and check on the names. Will get back to you.
Jimsigs1 | |
| | | Mike_2817 LE Maj
Number of posts : 643 Localisation : North Yorkshire Cap Badge : RAOC Registration date : 2009-08-27
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 12/4/2011, 18:57 | |
| - Themaadone wrote:
- We already have an Army RSM - he is the RSM of London District, the most senior RSM of the Army and has regular audiences with Her Majesty.
In essence, I have been told, that he(or perhaps She in the near future) will bring up issues at the most senior and highest level and, in the past, has never been afraid to do so. I beg to differ, His (and unless things change, will always be so, as its an Guards (Infantry) appointment) is 'Garrison Sergeant Major, London District' and I think the Academy Sergeant Major, may have something to say about seniority. The GSM may have audiences with the Queen, but these are on ceremonial matters, which is his speciality. _________________ Sua Tela Tonanti
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| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 12/4/2011, 19:24 | |
| Brum,
On question of QOH, have found the photo of HQ Squadron taken around 1958. No names on the photo but I do recognise a Polish Sgt sitting two down from me. Cannot remember his name. I must be post amalgamation as the QOH people are all wearing the QOH badge instead of the old 7th Hussars one. Can scan and send you the photo to your email address.
Jimsigs1 | |
| | | brum FM
Number of posts : 2808 Age : 83 Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire Cap Badge : RA/QOH Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich Registration date : 2010-03-02
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 12/4/2011, 20:35 | |
| - Gordon. wrote:
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Congratulations on your promotion Brum..The Brig`s bog will be a bit fresher now.. Your congrats noted Gordon old horse. Re your comment on the "Brig's bog". I imagine that's a reference to bowel movements (ahem). Don't concern yourself about that sort of thing old chap. When you get your chateau, (as you surely will), you will find, as I recently did, that your ADC will make arrangements to take care of things like that. I now have a servant who goes for me. PS Send the 14th Division in at 6 Ack Emma will you. Make sure that there's plenty of Arty preparation, let the old Bosch know they are coming, what ? | |
| | | Teabag Maj Gen
Number of posts : 960 Age : 74 Localisation : Merseyside Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Wildenrath Detmold Registration date : 2008-10-30
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 12/4/2011, 22:48 | |
| - brum wrote:
- Gordon. wrote:
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Congratulations on your promotion Brum..The Brig`s bog will be a bit fresher now.. Your congrats noted Gordon old horse.
Re your comment on the "Brig's bog". I imagine that's a reference to bowel movements (ahem). Don't concern yourself about that sort of thing old chap. When you get your chateau, (as you surely will), you will find, as I recently did, that your ADC will make arrangements to take care of things like that. I now have a servant who goes for me.
PS Send the 14th Division in at 6 Ack Emma will you. Make sure that there's plenty of Arty preparation, let the old Bosch know they are coming, what ? Apparently they are going to a dance and need three and fourpence Sir. Your orders? | |
| | | Shelldrake FM
Number of posts : 3048 Localisation : Camberley Cap Badge : Royal Artillery Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh Registration date : 2010-10-26
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 13/4/2011, 10:25 | |
| Brum, does your servant take the P***? | |
| | | brum FM
Number of posts : 2808 Age : 83 Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire Cap Badge : RA/QOH Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich Registration date : 2010-03-02
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 13/4/2011, 11:11 | |
| - Shelldrake wrote:
- Brum, does your servant take the P***?
Of course not ! There's another servant who attends to that ! | |
| | | Teabag Maj Gen
Number of posts : 960 Age : 74 Localisation : Merseyside Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Wildenrath Detmold Registration date : 2008-10-30
| | | | brum FM
Number of posts : 2808 Age : 83 Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire Cap Badge : RA/QOH Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich Registration date : 2010-03-02
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 13/4/2011, 14:02 | |
| - Teabag wrote:
- brum wrote:
- Shelldrake wrote:
- Brum, does your servant take the P***?
Of course not !
There's another servant who attends to that ! Yeh he's the head P*** taker more commonly known as P***head. Must have been a popular job as there were loads of them when I was in! Stap me sir ! Were you at my chateau then ? | |
| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 13/4/2011, 18:48 | |
| Brum,
Have scanned the QOH photo and sent it to your email address.
Jimsigs1 | |
| | | brum FM
Number of posts : 2808 Age : 83 Localisation : Sandbach Cheshire Cap Badge : RA/QOH Places Served : JLRRA (Hereford) Nienburg Paderborn Colchester Munster Maresfield (Cyprus) Hohne Hemer Op Banner x4 Woolwich Registration date : 2010-03-02
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 13/4/2011, 22:58 | |
| - jimsigs1 wrote:
- Brum,
Have scanned the QOH photo and sent it to your email address.
Jimsigs1 Roger, Thanks, Wait Out. | |
| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 13/4/2011, 23:24 | |
| Hi Brum,
Wilco, or as we are all getting older the old QRS might be appropriate
Jimsigs1 | |
| | | Shelldrake FM
Number of posts : 3048 Localisation : Camberley Cap Badge : Royal Artillery Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh Registration date : 2010-10-26
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 14/4/2011, 08:39 | |
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| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 14/4/2011, 10:43 | |
| Wil Co`s brother |
| | | Themaadone Maj
Number of posts : 270 Localisation : Near London Cap Badge : RAOC/RLC/AGC Places Served : Bielefeld, Guetersloh, Viersen, Bracht, Falklands, Aldershot, Leconsfield, NI, Rwanda, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan Registration date : 2010-09-02
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 14/4/2011, 16:14 | |
| You are correct Mike. The ACSM is senior to the GSM Lond Dist however Conductors by rank are more senior to a 'normal' WO1 as we know.
This creates a little conundrum. The most senior 'Soldier' of the British Army is certainly not a 22year service Private or LCpl, has to be a WO1 and by your kind correction would therefore be the Academy Sergeant Major. | |
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| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 14/4/2011, 17:23 | |
| This subject was debated in great detail only a few months ago. |
| | | Themaadone Maj
Number of posts : 270 Localisation : Near London Cap Badge : RAOC/RLC/AGC Places Served : Bielefeld, Guetersloh, Viersen, Bracht, Falklands, Aldershot, Leconsfield, NI, Rwanda, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan Registration date : 2010-09-02
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 14/4/2011, 19:37 | |
| I'm getting older... I can't remember! | |
| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 14/4/2011, 23:30 | |
| Roger = OK. I understand, I get your drift, confirmed, I am onto it, got you etc etc need any more Sheldrake
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| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 15/4/2011, 11:01 | |
| Re this WO1 saga and the seniority thingy, why don't we adopt the idea of having an overall Sergeant-Major of the Army. It seems to work in other armies. He could be at the Chief of the General Staff's side to advise on all 'Soldier' matters etc. He could be one voice instead of the top listening to many voices.
Jimsigs1 | |
| | | Shelldrake FM
Number of posts : 3048 Localisation : Camberley Cap Badge : Royal Artillery Places Served : Troon, Lippstadt, Devizes, NI, Paderborn, Dortmund, Colchester, Belize, Canada, Cyprus, Gutersloh Registration date : 2010-10-26
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 15/4/2011, 11:16 | |
| Good idea Jim, but to avoid any favouritism, nepotism or bias how would they, the powers that be, decide which Cap Badge he/she would be drawn from? | |
| | | jimsigs1 Let Gen
Number of posts : 1298 Age : 90 Localisation : West of England Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate 1949-52. HQ BAOR Sig Regt 1952-54, Korea 1954-55, Egypt 1955, Cyprus 1955-57, HMS Santon 1957, UK 7th Hussars 1957-59, 1st Gds Bde 1959-60, 201 Signal Sqn 1960-62, 206 Sig Sqn 1962-63, 7 Sig Regt 1963-66, 249 Sig Sqn 1966-68, 11 Sig Regt 1968-72. Retired 1972 Registration date : 2010-02-22
| Subject: Re: Rank peculiar to regiment 15/4/2011, 12:18 | |
| Hi Shelldrake,
Well, I was thinking along the lines of the Academy Sergeant-Major who wears the cap badge of RMAS. Perhaps a one of badge could be designed to indicate he/she is associated with the CGS.
I noticed that a lot of officers from the last war were in what was called the General Service Corps and wore a coat of arms as both cap badges and collar dogs. So the badge could be a coat of arms surrounded by a laurel wreath. Of course he would need to wear this type of badge on his sleave. The collar badges could indicate his association to the CGS in some form. It wouldn't take at lot of imagination to introduce this to the Army and could be an inspiration to serving WO1 who have no inclination of taking a commission and could serve until the age of 55, thus increasing his experience. I also think that perhaps this Warrant Officer would serve a period of around 5 years. This would allow the position to not stagnate and bring in new ideas to the job.
Remember that the CGS does a similar job of representation BUT of the whole Army through the Chief of the Defence Staff in advising the Government on military matters etc. I'm sure that there are experts around that could come up with a few more ideas etc.
Jimsigs
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