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Gwynno
Sgt
Sgt


Number of posts : 39
Age : 62
Localisation : Wrexham
Places Served : Dad; Celle, Iserlohn, Munster, Hemer
Registration date : 2009-05-14

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PostSubject: 2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces   2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces Icon_minitime8/9/2020, 11:01

My Dad served in WW2 in Germany then on to Palestine with the 53rd Air Landing Regiment, 6th Airborne Division. After leaving the Army he Joined Naafi as an accountant and later we moved as a family into Officer quarters in Iserlohn in 1962. At that time he held no rank and I have not given it any further thought until I came across an official looking document dated around the time we moved to Iserlohn stating " . . .we appoint you to be an officer in our Land Forces as such in the rank of 2nd Lieutenant . . . ."
No duties, no uniform just the rank - I am assuming that in order to live in Army quarters you must hold a rank and to live in Officer quarters the lowest rank was 2nd Lieutenant. There were teachers that lived in Officer quarters too, I assume they held the same rank?
Can anyone confirm my assumption? Does this still happen today ?
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Pborn4
Lt Col
Lt Col
Pborn4

Number of posts : 327
Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
Cap Badge : Not even a reservist now - have been Pborn3
Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
Registration date : 2016-12-16

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PostSubject: Re: 2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces   2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces Icon_minitime8/9/2020, 23:32

Schoolteachers (used to be Queen's Schoolmistresses/Schoolmasters (see http://www.archhistory.co.uk/taca/schooling.html)employed by British Forces Education Service were given the honorary rank of Captain, as associate members of a regular army officers' mess.  This gave them a certain seniority over "ruperts" - 2Lt and Lt who were junior members of the Mess and liable to high-jinks and japery, (and school teachers were a valuable commodity in the Army community) and thus dissuade any unwelcome attention.   An honorary Captain had the opportunity to gather more "points"on AF A10 should she/he opt to marry and require a Married Quarter at the duty station.
As a member of the NAAFI organisation (which had certain duties as an Expeditionary Force and could be called up for operations) then appointment to 2 Lt was feasible.  Any further promotion would be proportionate to the role, and recommendation of his Commanding Officer. (NAAFI Accountant would have to be subordinate to a Captain/Major Paymaster or Quartermaster).
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alan8376
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Brig


Number of posts : 516
Age : 72
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

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PostSubject: Re: 2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces   2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces Icon_minitime10/9/2020, 12:04

Thanks, Pborn4,

Interesting.

Alan
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Gwynno
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Number of posts : 39
Age : 62
Localisation : Wrexham
Places Served : Dad; Celle, Iserlohn, Munster, Hemer
Registration date : 2009-05-14

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PostSubject: Re: 2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces   2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces Icon_minitime10/9/2020, 14:05

Thanks for the explanation Pborn4.
I can only start to imagine the issues that has to be dealt with when placing families into accommodations.  Was/is this managed at Regiment level or from a more central co-ordinating authority.  
It must be a nightmare to finalise - a fixed set of dwellings, some with better aspects than others to be divvied out equitably amongst very deserving tenants. There will of course be locations with mixed regiments - I recall living amongst Royal Irish Rangers 2nd Battalion who were paired up with Royal Green Jackets,  in Hemer in the mid 70's.
In this case, who decides who gets which dwelling ? Risk of favouritism, risk of Captains Jones's wife banging on someone's door because she was promised . . .   

Bottom line I guess, from a top brass perspective, you have a regiment to run and soldiers must fall in with what they are told to do so that you can get on with the business of running the regiment.

As a aside, my mum worked in the BIA (?) in Hemer and she dealt with army families who presented damages to properties ranging from a broken saucer to a sofa that mysteriously caught fire. I think it worked on a points system awarded monthly allowing each family a certain acceptable level of breakage which could be replaced at no cost. Every Regiment would have "Repeat offenders", and these were not always ORs.
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Pborn4
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Number of posts : 327
Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
Cap Badge : Not even a reservist now - have been Pborn3
Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
Registration date : 2016-12-16

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PostSubject: Re: 2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces   2nd Lieutenant in Land Forces Icon_minitime10/9/2020, 15:38

The Barracky Bill side of life and Garrison Staff Housing Officer are not my areas of expertise Shelldrake (another contributor) has insight, experience and stories!
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