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Loopyloo2307
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PostSubject: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 10:12

Good morning,

I am looking for information regarding my grandfather Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery who sadly passed away on 25/03/62 in Germany while on duty ( Road accident) he is buried at the Hanover Military Cemetery, I would love any information, photos of him & his regiment as myself & my father
didn't know he existed until a few months ago.

Any information would be gratefully appreciated

Kind Regards
Lara
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 580
Age : 73
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 10:37

Hi Lara, Welcome to the site.

Do you have a photo of your Grandad's Grave?

If not!

I have used this site many times for people seeking information about Grave sites.

https://www.twgpp.org/


The company has built up a massive collection of Worldwide Military Graves, compiled by volunteers and centalised.  

If you can' find a photo, go to the guy who runs the site. He will find what you are looking for.
The first photo you normally see is a shot from x feet away>
If it is correct? Then you can order from him for about £5. He sends via your email Or by Post. Which ever you choose?

As your Grandfather died In Service post 1948. It is possible he is not listed!  If this is the case? Come back to me.


Regards
Alan
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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 10:50

Hi Alan,

Thank you for your reply, I have found his grave and managed to get a photo of this, unfortunately that's all the information I have, I found a newspaper article in the Belfast telegraph about his parents receiving a telegraph about his death, thats how I found his Battalion....I have just ordered his birth certificate, but was hoping to find his death certificate but because it was during service I'm not sure its that easy!
I am also wondering why he wasn't brought back to Ireland and buried there?

Kind Regards
Lara
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 580
Age : 73
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 11:36

Lara,

Good that you have a photo and other information.

You should find information via the GRO, even when he died in Germany. I'll have a look for you.

His Dob will help!

Post it here please. You can remove it quickly after. OR
Send the DOB to my address shown .There are 2 choices.

Alan

See PM below
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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 11:42

Of course, thank you its 30/10/34

Kind Regards
Lara
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 580
Age : 73
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 12:01

Lara,

I have some info for you. the source is faded. Yes, you can order thru the GRO for a Death Cert.  The Index No is (2)  (12)

He was based at Muenster. Please note this Muenster or the German Version Münster. (2 dots over the U) and NOT Munster. Which is often typed incorrectly!

The burial at Hannover was maybe because he had the accident there, OR because he was taken to the big British hospital there., called (BMH Hanover).

You asked about location of burial in Germany and not Ireland. This was normal in those days. I believe if parents wished so, and there was a cost to them I think.  I am aware it was allowed in later years?


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Alan

Note the 2 dots over Münster. (You can just make them out).
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Hi Alan,

That's brilliant, I have just ordered his death certificate thank you so much for your help, apparently Wilfred was married with a surname brown finding that would be a needle in a haystack!!

Kind Regards
Lara
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Pborn4
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Number of posts : 380
Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
Cap Badge : Not even a reservist now - have been Pborn3
Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
Registration date : 2016-12-16

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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 18:24

Further to Alan's efforts:

http://veterans.mod.uk/roll-of-honour.php?SerialNo=X6169

Extract from the records:

Surname
BROWN

Forenames/Initials
Wilfred

Rank
Bdr (Bombardier)

Service
Army

Service Number
22810371

Regiment/Corps
RA

Date of Birth
31 October 1932

Age
29

Date of Death
25 March 1962

Cemetery Name
HANNOVER - LIMMER

Grave Section
11

Grave Row
F

Grave Number
2

Headstone/Markerstone
Included on Armed Forces Memorial
No

Included on Roll of Honour
Yes

So now you have Army Number, Rank and Name, Date of Death,
you mght now apply to Veterans Organisation for access to his personal records
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Loopyloo2307
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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 18:30

Oh my goodness, I cannot thank you enough for all yours & Alan's help! I am so very grateful 🙏
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Number of posts : 380
Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
Cap Badge : Not even a reservist now - have been Pborn3
Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
Registration date : 2016-12-16

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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime17/2/2021, 18:37

Munster (Oertze) also known as Munsterlager (no Umlaut) was 70 km north of Hannover.  6 Regiment Royal Artillery was stationed there until mid 1962 in Dennis Barracks.  British Artillery were not arranged in Battalions at this time (USArmy used that formation) British Artillery were in Regiments and sub divided in lettered or numbered batteries (Bty)

armed with his Regt Number you might approach this address for sight of his documents including Next of Kin Card, record of service and the Board of Inquiry that adjudicated on his death:

Requests for Army Service Records and Citations.
Former Army personnel who wish to receive copies of their service records under the Data Protection Act are required to submit a Subject Access Request (SAR) * *, accompanied by verification of identify (a photocopy of photo card driving license or copy of passport and a utility bill showing current address) to the following address:
Address:

APC MS Support - Disclosures 2,
MP 535,
Kentigern House,
65 Brown Street,
Glasgow, G2 8EX
Tel: 0345 600 9663
Fax: 0141 224 3172
Email: apc-sp-disclosures2@mod.gov.uk


SAR Form is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mod-subject-access-request-form

Those who are seeking a copy of a citation for a National Award need to submit their application to:
Address: MOD (MS Honours),
Level 6, Zone C,
Main Building,
Whitehall, SW1A 2HB

This free service may be affected by COVID-19 restrictions.
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 580
Age : 73
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime18/2/2021, 10:29

Lara,

I have some photo taken of the grave this morning by my friend who lives in Hanover.

Can I display one photo here?

Please send to me via PM, your email address. It is better for multple photos via email?

Alan
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Hi Alan,

Of course, I have tried to send you my email but because I am a new member it won't allow me....

Kind Regards
Lara
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PostSubject: Re: Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery    Wilfred Brown 6th Battalion Royal Artillery  Icon_minitime18/2/2021, 10:33

It's lara dot davison at yahoo dot co dot uk
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alan8376
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Number of posts : 580
Age : 73
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

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Lara,

Here is  a photo taken today of your Grandad's grave at Hanover.


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The remainding photos I will send via your email

Alan


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Fine.

Lara, I've got the email address. Delete it, to prevent Spam.

thanks
Alan
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