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PostSubject: Athlone Bks history.   Athlone Bks history. Icon_minitime28/5/2021, 00:32

I spent 4 years at Athlone in the early 80s but left knowing very little about the place. Does anyone know or have links to any information about the pre war and WW2 history of the place? In the 'locations' page it says that it was occupied by the Canadians just after the war. I've tried searching the internet but cannot find any information as to that occupation nor what the Wehrmacht would have used it for or which German units were based there in the run up to and during WW2.
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PostSubject: Re: Athlone Bks history.   Athlone Bks history. Icon_minitime28/5/2021, 10:10

Rocky

I do not have any records for the early occupants of Athlone Barracks from May 45 to Mar 49, however clearly not the Canadians:

29 May 45 – HQRA 3rd (British) Infantry Division relieved 29th Infantry Division US Army, HQ Kirchplatz Delbruck north-west of Paderborn with responsibility for Landkreis Paderborn
16 Aug 45 – 52nd Divisional Artillery Brigade relieved HQRA 3rd Infantry Division until disbandment
19 Apr 46 – responsibility to 147th Infantry Brigade of 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division until disbandment
21 Oct 46 – relieved by 131st Lorried Infantry Brigade of 7th Armoured Division
31 Dec 46 – redesignated 31st Infantry Brigade of 7th Armoured Division
28 Jul 47 – responsibility now to the British Army of the Rhine Training Centre
15 Jan 48 – responsibility returns to 31st Independent Infantry Brigade of Hannover District
17 Feb 48 – responsibility to 7th Armoured Brigade of Hannover District
1 Sep 48 – All Arms Training Centre formed
15 Sep 48 – British Army of the Rhine Training Centre disbanded

Cannot find any major units in Athlone Barracks up to Mar 49, therefore must have been minor ones and probably part of the 21st Army Group Training Centre known as British Army of the Rhine Training Centre from 25 Aug 45.

Hope this helps

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PostSubject: Re: Athlone Bks history.   Athlone Bks history. Icon_minitime28/5/2021, 11:42

Cheers Steve! That's been very helpful! I'm now miles ahead of where I was.
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Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
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Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
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PostSubject: Re: Athlone Bks history.   Athlone Bks history. Icon_minitime28/5/2021, 14:01

Athlone Barracks, Sennelager on the edge of nowhere was a Brit build in the early post war era to meet a specific requirement for tanks and tracked vehicles (and heated hangars).  A hardened road route-in was constructed between the old B1 road and in to the Trg Area (Road is called Diebesweg !)

http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo%3A87564    
Paderborn 1:25,000 Map sheet for 1933!
Look NO Athlone planned N of Firing Range  

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Timeline:    1952/54  Athlone Barracks completed (Refurb 2004) 2020 taken in to use as Training Fleet Barracks in the revitalised BFG  (Army Bus drivers collecting pax at RAF Guetersloh offered transports of delight to "Att Loney" Barracks  - needed a sign to work out the destination!   (Routewas Raf GT > to Mansergh Bks thence via GT Town to Normandy Sennelager > Athlone > Dempsey > Crocker > Alanbrooke > end station Barker Bks

https://www.army.mod.uk/deployments/germany/

See also (anticipating the next question):

Site and Athlone   Site Guard - Site Guard (on this site) 23/7/2019, 20:39 Reply :

Simply put the Forestry decides where plantations are to be placed in agreement with Range military managers.  Timelines:
1945  Diebesweg (N-S between Athlone and Ammo site) was a country lane between B1 Trunk Rd and Staumühle Lager meandering through the heath around a different range configuration.
1952/54  Athlone Barracks completed (Refurb 2004)
1963  First ammo compound inserted east of Paderbon Water Pumping station
1965  New compounds (2) completed and in-loaded 1 - 1,5 km East of Athlone.  Tree clearance at distances from compound to meet German (Bw) licence requirement, and timber beyond the periphery left until Forestry felling for crop sale.
1966  Southern Military Ring Rd inserted to service the ALMAs and keep TCV traffic out of Bad Lippspringe (NOT for tracks)
1969/71  Tank Washdown at Athlone (there are 3 on trg area) to wash down traffíc in to Athlone or being transported on to B1

Pre 1990 1:25,000 & !:50,000 map sheets had blocks of woodland inserted to cover sensitive installations (not so the Range Map) after this date satellite imagery was on the market that could not be censored to the same extent.


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PostSubject: Re: Athlone Bks history.   Athlone Bks history. Icon_minitime28/5/2021, 17:57

Thanks again! That'll explain why there's no Wehrmacht antecedence. When I was a young Trooper, the only 'history' that I picked up was an old war story about there being a Wehrmacht medical centre under the Regt'l square. Obviously total horse shit, but like most at that age, I was gullible enough to take it in. I'm currently looking at the Luftwaffe airfields around Paderborn if you know of anything. So far I've got Bad Lippspringe and Stormede, but I've just stumbled over a mention on the internet that there was an airfield at PB/Monkeloh?
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PostSubject: Re: Athlone Bks history.   Athlone Bks history. Icon_minitime28/5/2021, 18:57

Fliegerhörst Störmede by Geseke!,  and
https://www.zeitreise-paderborn.de/detail/10016;jsessionid=19klqvkobtbqxaghu8vw6s4s7?0

Monkeloh was a WW1 airfield set up in WW2 mode in October 1944 and bombed flat by the allies in 1945, although the US Army used the field/strip untilearly 1946 for freight and pax.

https://www.teutoburgerwald.de/wandern-radfahren/in-der-natur/tour/haxterberg-und-haxtergrund-bei-paderborn      Haxtergrund a glider field these days

Night attack airfield at Bad Lippspringe (beside the current Golf Course and former Parachute Centre) (one aircraft came down with less than 5 hours on the clock 200 m East of Dubeloh Str Schl Neuhaus) and was excavated in 1980 by GE authorities - EOD in attendance no bombs but full ammo belts,  some bones and ID discs recovered  then all the bits incl  a  75 mm steel plate behind the pilot's seat.  the propeller boss gear for trimming the prop was slightly waxed (degradation of lube) but in perfect condition) taken away.

and how about the former glider field (like the big Hamilcars) in the Senne north of Haustenbeck where  troops and vehicles for the assault on Rotterdam were assembled - a certain Max Schmelling was a soldier there!

Across the road and just South of Athlone Barracks there was a classification 400 m rifle range (firing S to N) Wehrmacht pattern belonging to the Kaiser's and Wehrmacht Paderborn Garrison, with an impressive bullet catcher (ots of lead). Destroyed by the Brits in 1945 and  butts blown up by Brits around 1980, although that strip of land has been taken out of BR use the Federal Forestry authority still holds it pending maturity of trees on site (never been shot at!)

Across Diebesweg from this strip of land - visible from the road, is an extensive Paderborn Stadt set of Drinking Water boreholes - still in business and on the training area boundary.

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