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bastock51 Cpl
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: New Berlin Location? 20/1/2015, 13:30 | |
| I have just read a newspaper article dated 11th July 1945 regarding the occupation of Hermann Goering Barracks in Wedding district. A number of troops seem to have been billeted there, but it doesn't give any details. A month later they became the HQ of the French Sector, 'Quartier Napoleon' and when the French left in 1994 it was taken over by the Bundeswehr are now known as 'Julius Leber Kaserne.
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: New Berlin Location? 20/1/2015, 15:06 | |
| Can confirm from original documentation 25 Jun 45 – 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards from 5th Guards Brigade of Guards Division to 7th Armoured Division Braunschweig area as part of British Troops Berlin 4 Jul 45 – Hermann Göring Kaserne returns to 5th Guards Brigade 5 Aug 45
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: New Berlin Location? 26/1/2015, 19:43 | |
| I can confirm Webmaster Steve's comments
7 Armoured Division had been selected to provide the first British Garrison in Berlin and to participate ifn the final Allied Victory Parade in the city in late July 1945
However 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards of the former Guards Armoured Division and a composite Battalion from the Canadian 2nd Infantry Division also participated in the parade but their stay in Berlin was very short.
The Grenadier Guards left Berlin in early August 1945 to return to their parent Division by now in the Rhineland south of Cologne. | |
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: New Berlin Location? 30/1/2015, 12:58 | |
| Clearly "on the wagon off the wagon" 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards moved from Stade to Bonn 14 Jun 45 then to Braunschweig area 25 Jun 45, clearly this could have been managed better... | |
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: New Berlin Location? 31/1/2015, 13:34 | |
| Steve
As we have discussed privately responsibility for the future British Berlin Garrison was a 30 Corps task and 7 Armoured Division (at the time in Schleswig Holstein under command 12 then 8 Corps) had been nominated for the role.
However the actual timing of the deployment was a political decision involving on one side Stalin and the Soviets, on the other the American, British and French Governments.
Clearly there was considerable prevarication and the 8 Corps War Diaries for late May 1945 show 3RTR being stood down from the commitment and at the same time the proposed Canadian Contingent was reduced from a complete Brigade to a composite Battalion (by then Canadian presence in Germany had been reduced from three to one Divisions).
Your 30 Corps War Diaries might give a clue as to what was going on | |
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: New Berlin Location? 1/2/2015, 10:39 | |
| The first 30 Corps operational instruction for the British Forces to enter Berlin as always subject to change and should not be treated as the definitive Order of Battle…
Subject: BERLIN FORCE Main HQ 30 Corps dated 17 Jun 45 Herewith list as at the present known of units to come into the BRUNSWICK staging area en route to BERLIN –
7 Armd Div Tac Div HQ 131 Inf Bde less one bn One sqn 11 H
Gds Div 1 Mot Gren Gds
1 Cdn Army One Inf Bn Adm units and dets amount to 48 all ranks and 13 vehs
RE Units CE Berlin District – Berlin District – Lubbecke (1 Corps) 159 CRE Wks – Berlin District – Lubbecke (1 Corps) 188 CRE Wks – 8 Corps – Hamburg 216 Wks Sec – Berlin District – Lubbecke 402 Wks Sec – 8 Corps – Hamburg 672 Army Tps Coy – Berlin District – Lubbecke 552 A Tps Coy – GHQ Tps – Herford 688 + 718 Art Wks Coys – Berlin District – Lubbecke en route 806 Rd Constr Coy – Berlin District – Lubbecke en route 64 Rd Constr Coy (Airfds) – First Cdn Army – Varrelsusch 214 Pnr Coy (Airfds) – First Cdn Army – Varrelsusch 33 Stores Sec HQ – Berlin District – Lubbecke (1 Corps) 71 Stores Sec HQ – 8 Corps – Hamburg 25 HQ BD Coy – L of C – Brussels 141 + 147 BD Pls – 30 Corps 241 BD Pl – 1 Corps – Borken 242 BD Pl – L of C – Heerlen | |
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JPW Let Gen
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: New Berlin Location? 1/2/2015, 20:37 | |
| Steve
Thanks for your comments
According to my 8 Corps data
The 8th Hussars and 3 RHA also of 7 Armoured Division also deployed to Berlin in early July 1945
9th Battalion Durham Light Infantry formed the 131 Brigade "Stay Behind Group" but deployed to Berlin at the end of July replacing the Grenadier Guards.
Suspect the very high proportion of Sapper units in the initial deployment was the need to create permanent habitable living accommodation for the future British Military Garrison within the bombed out ruins of Berlin | |
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![New Berlin Location? Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: New Berlin Location? 3/2/2015, 16:47 | |
| Given time should be able to produce an Order of Battle and unit locations for Berlin District in the early days | |
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