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Pborn4
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Number of posts : 616
Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
Cap Badge : Not even a reservist now - have been Pborn3
Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
Registration date : 2016-12-16

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PostSubject: Family >Research - Births    Family >Research - Births  Icon_minitime27/11/2022, 03:52

As a member of a Force from a Sending State (Brits) the NATO Status of Forces Agreement viewed such members as non-resident in  Germany.
On the occasion of a birth in the family  ( including wife in  UK and husband in BAOR) the husband would report to the Orderly Room and have the name, sex  and DOB of offspring recorded in his documents as dependants. This would be published in Part 2 or Part 3 Orders - his pay documents would be annotated (and the increase in LOA authorised where the family were united in BAOR) and Families/Quartering Office would annotate the records held - he might be entitled to a a larger Married Quarter.  
Then back to the Orderly Room where application would be made for a Consular Registration of Birth (if the child is born outside UK) so that the child would get a smart Birth Cert, the birth would be included in the Consular Record (Düsseldorf/Hannover or Berlin and once upon a time Hamburg).  That meant that at regular intervals the Consular Records would be sent to St Catherine's House in London  to the Central Registrar.*
With Birth documentation complete the lucky father would then apply to have the child included on his wife's passport (old rules) or be given a passport of its own (where the wife was not  Brit or for new rules - round  about the time of joining the common market).  If wife had stayed in UK she would get Birth Cert from local Registry Office, apply for increased child allowance,  and sort out child's passport if she was being called forward to jojn husband).  A German wife might carryout both the British and German procedures to get B Certs and have child entered in her Stammbuch (with 3 or 4 spare copies of B cert) and get a passport for the child and collect German Child allowance.
If the babe was born out of wedlock in Germany  then the German procedure would be followed since, in essence, the mother would not be  a Member of the Force.

*Such records are inc luded at the National Archive (used to be Public Record Office) at Kew:  see here:  
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=BAOR%20Birth%20Marriage%20Deaths&_dss=range&_sd=1965&_ed=2015&_rv=simple

British Army of the Rhine (BAOR): consular registration
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Reference: RG 48/3196
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British Army of the Rhine (BAOR): consular registration

Date: 1961-1972
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Former reference in its original department: 5849R61/3
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
Record opening date: 01 January 2003

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2452697
BAOR BMD 1961 - 1972 consular registrations - Birth Marriage and Death

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Number of posts : 704
Age : 75
Localisation : Norfolk, UK
Cap Badge : REME
Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007.
Registration date : 2009-07-28

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PostSubject: Re: Family >Research - Births    Family >Research - Births  Icon_minitime27/11/2022, 11:03

Thanks, for the details Pborn4,

I have been successful in tracking down BAOR Birth Certs when persons have lost their or family member Certs.

Important is to have general birth details, including maiden name of wife and local area of Posting.

I don't usually accept the birth details to check via this site. PRIVACY:  I prefer request details via FB, Email or other method.

Usually, when all goes well with tracking a birth detail. An INDEX + Page number will be shown.
All the person then needs to do is to quote the Index when applying for a replacement from GRO.
Cost is about £14.

Beware of scams offering to order Certs. Costs were £14.

I think the Passport Office is in charge of all  BMD records now!  This doesn't affect the process at all.
Usually Cert return is about 7-10 Days.

As a note. BMD Records can be tracked using the same method for old BAOR days.  

I have only once been requested to tracked down a 'Marriage Cert Details'. A reqest was for a 1946 marriage in BAOR. ( I nearly fell off my chair).

Alan

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Number of posts : 616
Localisation : Between Hannover and Herford, off all main routes
Cap Badge : Not even a reservist now - have been Pborn3
Places Served : Oswestry 1965, Paderborn to 1971, NE Dist, Munsterlager from 1974, Sennelager (1976 to 2012)
Registration date : 2016-12-16

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PostSubject: Re: Family >Research - Births    Family >Research - Births  Icon_minitime27/11/2022, 12:04

Another Guide to dating records - Officers / soldiers in BAOR (and the rest of the services) could not marry before they were either 25 yrs old or 21 yrs old - these were the ages tied to UK law when the individuals would be entitled to a Married Quarter Licence.  Of course many did marry below these ages but life was "difficult" without quarters and marriage allowance - the introduction of the Military Salary changed these qualification ages (as my memory serves to 21 and 18 respectively).

I research Births Marriages and Deaths outside of Germany on:

England and Wales:  Free BMD   https://www.freebmd.org.uk/    research is simple and needs similar input to that described by Alan8376.

Scotland:  https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/     you have to log-in and again data fairly easily found if you have the basic input.  includes access to Censuses

N Ireland/Ulster:  found, for me to b e complicated.

Rol/Republic of Ireland and Irish Free State and when Ireland reported to UK Registrar:  Ireland was Garrisoned until 1922 - some marriages prior to this were "Marriages within the Lines" and the records recorded by RAChD and reported to St Catherine's' House nor retained in the Regimental Diaries!

The Irish Government have recognised the Tourist values of tracing the Irish diaspora, and have transcribed and digitised a very large volume of their family records: here
you have to log in and remember to check the little box below your name:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/agreement.jsp
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/useful-links
https://www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/irish-army-census-collection-12-november-1922-13-november-1922
https://www.facebook.com/IrelandFamilyHistory
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/


Tracing death records will follow on a new entry

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