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nobby clark WOI
Number of posts : 102 Age : 77 Localisation : manchester Cap Badge : 1R.Hamps / RAOC Places Served : baor-Hong Kong-Malaya-Borneo-Belize-F.I.-Cyprus-N.I.-UK. Registration date : 2008-04-07
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 25/9/2009, 09:47 | |
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| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 25/9/2009, 09:59 | |
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| | | ciphers Maj Gen
Number of posts : 978 Age : 91 Localisation : Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada V2S 7C5 Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Catterick (1951) - BAOR (1952 -1954)-(Herford - Bunde - Munster) - Japan (Kure) - Korea (Pusan - Seoul) - Cyprus (Nicosia) - Suez Op (1st Guards Brigade) - UK (63 Sigs Regt TA, Southampton) Registration date : 2008-06-30
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 25/9/2009, 16:20 | |
| 76 and holding my breath ...
Len (Ciphers) | |
| | | dandc Lt Col
Number of posts : 383 Age : 74 Localisation : gateshead Cap Badge : 15/19H.ARMY AIR CORPS Places Served : tidworth, fallingbostle, detmold, hongkong, minden Registration date : 2009-05-22
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 25/9/2009, 16:22 | |
| dont hold it too long len,[sorry could not resist],dave. | |
| | | relay69 Cpl
Number of posts : 16 Age : 73 Localisation : Near Bremen Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Harrogate66, Herford, Sharjah, Verden Registration date : 2009-09-02
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 25/9/2009, 19:07 | |
| I´m 58 mmmm when in Herford Hammersmith Barracks I can remember coming back at night, at the back of the camp there was a restaurant where one could get a spaghetti bolognese on what must have been a serving tray even at 0100 hrs absolute great if you were luck may be an Au pair from uk would be there a great time 69/70 | |
| | | recce83 Maj
Number of posts : 238 Age : 85 Localisation : Peachland British Columbia, Canada Cap Badge : Black Watch of Canada Places Served : 4 CIBG Soest and Werl 1957-1965, Camp Borden, Camp Gagetown Registration date : 2009-06-04
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 25/9/2009, 20:42 | |
| OK, maybe this is a bit of a reach....but how about this for a sight and sound? The "plop" sound when the air bubble in the bier stieffel (the one being held toe up instead of toe down by the unsuspecting and heretofore uninitiated new arrival, to the unbridled delight of his mates) came to the surface and the sight of the result: foamy beer all over the drinker's face? | |
| | | Hardrations Let Gen
Number of posts : 1074 Localisation : Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Cap Badge : RC Sigs (RTG Op) / CF Logistics (Cook) Places Served : Germany, Egypt, Cyprus, CFS Alert and some other strange places Registration date : 2007-12-16
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 26/9/2009, 08:45 | |
| - recce83 wrote:
- OK, maybe this is a bit of a reach....but how about this for a sight and sound? The "plop" sound when the air bubble in the bier stieffel (the one being held toe up instead of toe down by the unsuspecting and heretofore uninitiated new arrival, to the unbridled delight of his mates) came to the surface and the sight of the result: foamy beer all over the drinker's face?
Of course I got caught on that one. | |
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| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 26/9/2009, 10:27 | |
| Didn`t we all |
| | | donald WOI
Number of posts : 156 Age : 95 Cap Badge : 1st The Royal Dragoons - The Blues and Royals (RHG/D) Places Served : UK,BOAR,Egypt Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 26/9/2009, 15:57 | |
| Now all you youngsters,stop bragging about your age!In the Mess we had "the boot",and anyone not downing it in one go(bubbles or not)had the pleasure of a second go.Herforder in Herford,and Detmolder in Detmold! ------ Don | |
| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 27/9/2009, 20:32 | |
| I never encountered the Bier Stiefel until the very end of our tour, when I visited down to Lahr (circa 1971/72) while my Dad was stationed to Wetter and we lived in Iserlohn. It wasn't much of a tradition amongst Canadian teens up in NRW, as I recall.
I do recall, in the time honoured tradition of 'liberating' various gasthof souvenirs such a beer glasses, half-litre mugs, ashtrays, decals, and pretty much anything with a logo that wasn't nailed down, of depositing a beautiful glass Stiefel outside the low window of some gasthof in Lahr for later retrieval and then totally forgetting about it...it may still be nestled in the shrubbery outside the window!! It would have been a nice addition to my collection....
Whether or not I got drenched the first time I quaffed beer out of one, I don't recall. Probably!! Certainly by the time I returned to Canada and had occasion to go to The Gasthaus here in Calgary (a Bavarian restaurant with a pub (not gasthof) attached), I was well-versed in the fine art of properly quaffing out of the boot. Civilian friends who had never encountered a Stiefel weren't.... | |
| | | donald WOI
Number of posts : 156 Age : 95 Cap Badge : 1st The Royal Dragoons - The Blues and Royals (RHG/D) Places Served : UK,BOAR,Egypt Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 28/9/2009, 15:25 | |
| Anyway,its October Fest time,so why drink your beer out of a "stiefel"when you can have it warmed up a bit by the ample curves of those Bavarian gals,they take your beer to heart!Went last year,but can't this one,but you can get all the October Fest goodies here in Detmold too(without the gals) Prosit ------ Don | |
| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 29/9/2009, 19:45 | |
| While I understand the attraction of having buxom beer wenches 'warming' up your beer it does occur to me that wanting a warmer beer to begin with is a peculiarly British thing....warm beer??? Blech. Beer should be cold and frothy with the moisture from condensation languorously rolling down the side so that one has to wipe one's chin after taking a slug off out of your stein. Buxomness has its attractions but, geez, keep the bosom outa my beer!! I have no idea where it's been, do I? LOL | |
| | | Paul Maj Gen
Number of posts : 817 Age : 72 Localisation : Limavady, N.I. Cap Badge : R.E.M.E. Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 29/9/2009, 23:04 | |
| - Stephen Lock wrote:
- ....geez, keep the bosom outa my beer!! I have no idea where it's been, do I? LOL
Unless you have prior knowledge (Could not resist that one) Paul | |
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| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 30/9/2009, 07:39 | |
| - Quote :
- wanting a warmer beer to begin with is a peculiarly British thing....
HMMMM The overriding factor in enjoying a beer is the temperature it is served at. Whilst many people enjoy a cold beer, it is argued that room temporary is most conducive to the enjoyment of ale's which have a wide variety of aromas and after tastes which travel better in warmer air (hotter particles travel quicker and therefore smell - which is actually an essential component of taste - translates better at higher temperatures). If you are serving beer with food be sure not to serve it too cold as this will affect not only your ability to taste the combination of flavours in the beer, but also those on your plate as well! Generally, people will have their own preferences to how warm or cold they like to drink their beer, but it is worth bearing in mind the above points. If any further pointers are needed try the guidelines below: Barley Wines and other very string beers are best served at 10-13° C Bitters are best served at: 10-12° C. Lambic, or Lambic style Fruit beers and Wheat beers are best served at 5-10° C. Lagers at 8-10° C. Stouts and other dark ales at 12-15° C |
| | | donald WOI
Number of posts : 156 Age : 95 Cap Badge : 1st The Royal Dragoons - The Blues and Royals (RHG/D) Places Served : UK,BOAR,Egypt Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 30/9/2009, 16:00 | |
| So there you have it,whose ordering those 5 fridges to keep their guests happy.I find that having a celler keeps the beer just at the right temperature.But as Gordon said,its mainly a matter of taste.If you asked for a "warm" beer here you'd probably get chucked out! ----- Don | |
| | | dandc Lt Col
Number of posts : 383 Age : 74 Localisation : gateshead Cap Badge : 15/19H.ARMY AIR CORPS Places Served : tidworth, fallingbostle, detmold, hongkong, minden Registration date : 2009-05-22
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 30/9/2009, 16:59 | |
| when i,and other serious drinkers put our gladrags on all we were worried about was how well it slid down our necks,happy days,dave. | |
| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 1/10/2009, 06:57 | |
| At those temperatures I'd say the beer was cool. But then again, in the 70's when my parents and I would bip over to UK to visit family (Dad's side) and stay with them what they considered "room temperature" was, to us, downright chilly! If they happened to have radiators in the house, those flat white things, they were almost invariably blood temperature. So serving a beer at "room temperature" also varies LOL Your average Canadian room temperature, for good bad or indifferent, hovers around 65-70 degrees F...I even find it a bit warm and prefer a cooler environment.
Now, having had a few pints in a couple of UK pubs I did find the beer/ale a tad too warm for my tastes. Asking for a cooler beer resulted in ice-cubes being plopped into my mug...not sure if it was because it was a way of shutting the bloody colonials up and showing us or really a case of just not understanding.
German gasthof beer was always served at a temperature I thought civilized.
However, Gordon has a very valid point...with the proliferation of decent beers and ales and such and an understanding that a good beer with a good meal is as much a ritual and...whatever the word is I'm looking for...a culinary experience....as having a good wine with a good meal, he's quite right about the various temperatures various types of beers and ales and stouts should be served at.
The type of glass a beer/stout/ale/Lambic etc is served in also makes a difference in the taste experience.
Drinking a beer right out of the can or bottle....yeeechhh!!! I mean, I've done it and still do on occasion but it certainly renders it less palatable than pouring it -- properly -- into the proper vessel and consuming it.
An ice cold beer on a hot summer's day is one thing.
A properly chilled ale/stout/Lambic served in the proper glass with a good meal is another. | |
| | | alan8376 Maj Gen
Number of posts : 778 Age : 76 Localisation : Norfolk, UK Cap Badge : REME Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007. Registration date : 2009-07-28
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 3/10/2009, 19:19 | |
| Can anyone put a date on the first 'BFG. BP Petrol Coupons?' I believe the price per litre was 1/3 of German pump price!
When did BFG car registrations first take off?
The cars I had during my BFG tours inc my wife's were, starting from 1967:
Opel Rekord. Reg No. DA 408B VW Beetle x3 VW Camper Austin A40 x2 Simca 1100 Mini Metro Rover SDI 3500 Morris Marina A moped (French), with the drive over the front wheel which you dropped down once you got going, that is after after peddling like mad! | |
| | | donald WOI
Number of posts : 156 Age : 95 Cap Badge : 1st The Royal Dragoons - The Blues and Royals (RHG/D) Places Served : UK,BOAR,Egypt Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 4/10/2009, 16:05 | |
| I may be mistaken,but when I first was stationed at Wolfenbüttel in 1948 the few Officers,who were wealthy enough to afford a car,had BFG registration.Not even the RSM could afford a car then!!!!As I remember the first cars amoung the "ORs" started to appear in the early 50s!I remember when I was posted back to UK my VW had to have Brit registration beginning XX. ----- Don | |
| | | recymech WOII
Number of posts : 81 Age : 56 Localisation : Bad Fallingbostel Cap Badge : REME Places Served : Bordon, Nuneaton, NI, Paderborn, Poland, Czech Republic, Sennelager, Osnabruck, Canada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Cyprus, Bad Fallingbostel. Registration date : 2008-06-24
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 4/10/2009, 16:39 | |
| - Chemist wrote:
- Stephen just for once I am going to question your logic.
When we returned to the UK (wife & I) we moved to Andover which is pretty close to Salisbury Plain and therefore packed with military,most of whom must have been in BAOR at some time.
There was not one German themed eating place probably nearer than London until one opened in a village just outside Andover. Great we thought, a taste of the old food. Before we could get there it had closed.
Apart from the odd bratty stall turning up at local shows there is no German food in the UK outside London. Why? I don't know. The most popular cuisine in the UK is Indian/Bangladeshi. Again why?.The answer seems to be that it suits the UK palate. Here in Ireland there are very few Indian/restaurants I think again the food is too alien to the Irish palate.
So although we who have been privileged to enjoy the delights of German cooking, I think we are a minority. Our pleasure is not shared by all who have served in BAOR I went to visit a pal at Tidders a few months a go and was pleasantly surprised to see a Bratty wagon had set up not far from the Police station unfortunately I didn't have time to try the delights he had to offer, but must be a nice addition to Tidworth. | |
| | | donald WOI
Number of posts : 156 Age : 95 Cap Badge : 1st The Royal Dragoons - The Blues and Royals (RHG/D) Places Served : UK,BOAR,Egypt Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 5/10/2009, 15:36 | |
| Lifes funny,now on my last visit to UK in June the first place I headed for was a fish and chip shop.Must say though that since they don't wrap 'em in the News of The World any more they don't taste the same!If you ever visit Detmold head for Rudolphs in the town,best bratties and currywurst going! ------ Don | |
| | | Teabag Maj Gen
Number of posts : 960 Age : 74 Localisation : Merseyside Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Wildenrath Detmold Registration date : 2008-10-30
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 6/10/2009, 16:03 | |
| Was in Aldi this morning and noticed they had Senf. They also had either Bratwurst or Bockwurst soup. Can't remember which. Should have bought a can just for the hell of it but was loaded up. (didn't get a trolley). | |
| | | dandc Lt Col
Number of posts : 383 Age : 74 Localisation : gateshead Cap Badge : 15/19H.ARMY AIR CORPS Places Served : tidworth, fallingbostle, detmold, hongkong, minden Registration date : 2009-05-22
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 6/10/2009, 17:59 | |
| the last time i was in tidworth[69] an extra pub would have bankrupt the drummer,i hope its changed for the better,dave. | |
| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 7/10/2009, 01:39 | |
| - donald wrote:
- Lifes funny,now on my last visit to UK in June the first place I headed for was a fish and chip shop.Must say though that since they don't wrap 'em in the News of The World any more they don't taste the same!If you ever visit Detmold head for Rudolphs in the town,best bratties and currywurst going!
------ Don Ahhh...if I remember Germany and it's schnell-imbisses (brattie stands), I remember visits to UK and fish and chip shops with the newspaper wrapping. Classic. How could they NOT still wrap it in newsprint (News of the World or whatever...does the flavour change if they used, for instance, The Observer or the London Times?). I mean, geez, does no one appreciate tradition??? I remember biting into a lovely piece of battered fish during a blustery cold autumn evening, my collar turned up and hunkering down into my coat, and feeling the warm fish cascade over my palate, the fine white flesh all but dispelling the damp. Suddenly, the world didn't seem so grey and damp after all! Vinegar on the fish and chips too! Lovely.... Apropos to absolutely nothing, but just occurred to me....using mayonnaise on chips. Not the sweet mayonnaise we get here, that doesn't work at all, but the slightly biting mayonnaise slathered over french fries (chips). When I tell Canadian civvies about eating mayonnaise and french fries one can almost see them cringe. ah well..... | |
| | | alan8376 Maj Gen
Number of posts : 778 Age : 76 Localisation : Norfolk, UK Cap Badge : REME Places Served : Carlisle AAS, Aden, Hildesheim, Bordon, Fallingbostel, Dover, NI Tours, Osnabruck, Herford, Muenster, UN Nicosia, SBA Dhekellia Cyprus x2, Waterbeach, Civi Street 1988. Retired from VOSA 2007. Registration date : 2009-07-28
| Subject: Re: Sounds and Smells of Deutschland 7/10/2009, 07:45 | |
| An ideal car market for the Brit squaddies in BAOR was the RH drive VW Bus and Beetle. Ever wondered why there were so many? Apparently, the German Postoffice (Bundespost) had so RH drives so they could empty and deliver safely mail boxes on the streets! | |
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