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| Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque | |
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Brian (Berlin-Brian) SSgt/CSgt
Number of posts : 71 Age : 65 Localisation : Hameln Registration date : 2007-04-02
| Subject: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 12/11/2009, 09:45 | |
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| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 12/11/2009, 19:30 | |
| These plaques that Brian has are quite something...
I'm wondering if perhaps our esteemed webmaster might not create a special page or category for these, perhaps with a bit of history or context along with them.
I realize many of the artwork on these plaques utilize heraldic imagery and I would be interested in knowing a bit more about why particular devices were used. For instance, in this Sennelager Training Centre plaque, what is the significance of the Crusader's sword? I assume the red cross upon which it is mounted is the Cross of St. George and the blue....hmmmm....not sure about that, either. | |
| | | arbor Sgt
Number of posts : 29 Registration date : 2009-10-10
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 12/11/2009, 22:32 | |
| I used to organise the floral display in front of STC .HQ block of this plaque ,if I remember its something to do with an infantry bde rhein army perhaps ? old age again I think | |
| | | ciphers Maj Gen
Number of posts : 978 Age : 91 Localisation : Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada V2S 7C5 Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Catterick (1951) - BAOR (1952 -1954)-(Herford - Bunde - Munster) - Japan (Kure) - Korea (Pusan - Seoul) - Cyprus (Nicosia) - Suez Op (1st Guards Brigade) - UK (63 Sigs Regt TA, Southampton) Registration date : 2008-06-30
| | | | Paul Maj Gen
Number of posts : 817 Age : 72 Localisation : Limavady, N.I. Cap Badge : R.E.M.E. Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 12/11/2009, 23:35 | |
| - Stephen Lock wrote:
- These plaques that Brian has are quite something...
I'm wondering if perhaps our esteemed webmaster might not create a special page or category for these, perhaps with a bit of history or context along with them.
I realize many of the artwork on these plaques utilize heraldic imagery and I would be interested in knowing a bit more about why particular devices were used. For instance, in this Sennelager Training Centre plaque, what is the significance of the Crusader's sword? I assume the red cross upon which it is mounted is the Cross of St. George and the blue....hmmmm....not sure about that, either. Already in hand Stephen, to the best of my amateur ability. Paul. | |
| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 13/11/2009, 06:33 | |
| And an excellent amateur ability it is, too! :-)
Ah, great minds think alike, uh? (and we will just not worry about the second part of that quote....)
Stephen | |
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| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 13/11/2009, 09:55 | |
| My humble Avatar has-top left ,the filling funnel and IV (No 4 Petroleum Depot) Top right, the crest for Kreis Warendorf Bottom left, the Westphalen White Horse Bottom right, the Stadt Munster crest And in the middle????? Nothing to do with me, dont' know who designed it. |
| | | Paul Maj Gen
Number of posts : 817 Age : 72 Localisation : Limavady, N.I. Cap Badge : R.E.M.E. Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 13/11/2009, 10:07 | |
| - Chemist wrote:
- My humble Avatar has-top left ,the filling funnel and IV (No 4 Petroleum Depot)
Top right, the crest for Kreis Warendorf Bottom left, the Westphalen White Horse Bottom right, the Stadt Munster crest And in the middle????? Nothing to do with me, dont' know who designed it. Would it be possible for you to send me an image of the plaque please? Paul. | |
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| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 13/11/2009, 11:26 | |
| - Paul wrote:
- Chemist wrote:
- My humble Avatar has-top left ,the filling funnel and IV (No 4 Petroleum Depot)
Top right, the crest for Kreis Warendorf Bottom left, the Westphalen White Horse Bottom right, the Stadt Munster crest And in the middle?????
Nothing to do with me, dont' know who designed it. Would it be possible for you to send me an image of the plaque please?
Paul. Sent but not sure if it worked |
| | | ciphers Maj Gen
Number of posts : 978 Age : 91 Localisation : Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada V2S 7C5 Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Catterick (1951) - BAOR (1952 -1954)-(Herford - Bunde - Munster) - Japan (Kure) - Korea (Pusan - Seoul) - Cyprus (Nicosia) - Suez Op (1st Guards Brigade) - UK (63 Sigs Regt TA, Southampton) Registration date : 2008-06-30
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 13/11/2009, 17:04 | |
| Surely that's the Royal Army Ordinance Corps badge ..
Len (Ciphers) | |
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| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 13/11/2009, 18:18 | |
| - ciphers wrote:
- Surely that's the Royal Army Ordinance Corps badge ..
Len (Ciphers) Give that man ten silver dollars and a box of Mars candy bars. (pssst-its Ordnance) |
| | | ciphers Maj Gen
Number of posts : 978 Age : 91 Localisation : Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada V2S 7C5 Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Catterick (1951) - BAOR (1952 -1954)-(Herford - Bunde - Munster) - Japan (Kure) - Korea (Pusan - Seoul) - Cyprus (Nicosia) - Suez Op (1st Guards Brigade) - UK (63 Sigs Regt TA, Southampton) Registration date : 2008-06-30
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 13/11/2009, 20:39 | |
| Bloody Spell Check ..
Len (Ciphers) | |
| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 14/11/2009, 06:31 | |
| It is absolutely the Ordnance Corp insignia...I recognized it right off because of the three cannons surmounted by three cannonballs. | |
| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 14/11/2009, 06:47 | |
| Something just occurred to me....
The single sword shown on the Sennelager Training plaque is the same -- or very similar to -- the crossed swords on the BAOR shield and I am now wondering if it was quite a conscious choice to use one "BAOR sword" and reverse the field colours from blue cross on red field to red cross on blue field?
This does seem a tad complicated to come up with, however, and so I return to my original thought it is a Crusader's sword -- and whatever the significance is to that, if any -- on the Cross of St. George.... | |
| | | Paul Maj Gen
Number of posts : 817 Age : 72 Localisation : Limavady, N.I. Cap Badge : R.E.M.E. Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 14/11/2009, 09:39 | |
| - Stephen Lock wrote:
- ............This does seem a tad complicated to come up with, however, and so I return to my original thought it is a Crusader's sword -- and whatever the significance is to that, if any -- on the Cross of St. George....
Was there not an "Operation Crusader" at the end of WW2? Could the swords possibly, in some typical military way, have stemmed from there? Paul. | |
| | | ciphers Maj Gen
Number of posts : 978 Age : 91 Localisation : Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada V2S 7C5 Cap Badge : Royal Signals Places Served : Catterick (1951) - BAOR (1952 -1954)-(Herford - Bunde - Munster) - Japan (Kure) - Korea (Pusan - Seoul) - Cyprus (Nicosia) - Suez Op (1st Guards Brigade) - UK (63 Sigs Regt TA, Southampton) Registration date : 2008-06-30
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 14/11/2009, 17:24 | |
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| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 14/11/2009, 19:03 | |
| Thanks Len....I found the sites to be very interesting. | |
| | | Paul Maj Gen
Number of posts : 817 Age : 72 Localisation : Limavady, N.I. Cap Badge : R.E.M.E. Places Served : Arborfield (Basic training), S.E.M.E. Bordon (Trade training), Barnard Castle, Hemer, Belfast (Emergency Tour), Londonderry, Munster, Brunei, Hong Kong Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 14/11/2009, 23:36 | |
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| | | Stephen Lock Maj Gen
Number of posts : 937 Age : 71 Localisation : Calgary Cap Badge : Pads Brat Places Served : Father -- Canadian Army. Served Hemer, Soest, and Wetter Registration date : 2007-12-28
| Subject: Re: Sennelager Training Centre BAOR Plaque 15/11/2009, 19:55 | |
| Looks good...will reply to you via pm. | |
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