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ALAN.BREAKSPEAR
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Number of posts : 71
Age : 82
Localisation : Reading, Berkshire
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : (The Old Rooks) Oswestry..(West Riding Barracks) Dortmund.1958-1960.
Registration date : 2010-02-12

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ALAN.BREAKSPEAR
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Number of posts : 71
Age : 82
Localisation : Reading, Berkshire
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : (The Old Rooks) Oswestry..(West Riding Barracks) Dortmund.1958-1960.
Registration date : 2010-02-12

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Taken at 45 Field Regt RA ,RHQ Battery West Riding Barracks,Year 1960. Don't Remember any names (i am on the left). Thanks Alan.
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Thanks for posting this, Alan.

I quite like these 'vintage' photos, even if I have no idea who the people are or what the circumstances around the taking of the photo were. They really are moments frozen in time and speak so well of a specific time and era and way of being.

It's fun imagining what the individuals portrayed might have been like or how they interacted with each other.
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Stitch.
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Number of posts : 29
Age : 85
Localisation : County Durham, England.
Cap Badge : Gunner, Royal Artillery.
Places Served : Oswestry Shropshire, Kirkee Camp; Mac-Munn Bks, Colchester Essex. West Riding Barracks, Dortmund Germany.
Registration date : 2009-11-20

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Hi Alan,

As i believe you to be aware, i also was with the 45th Field/Reg, R/A, and in West Riding Barracks, though be it some `five or six years` previously.

Alan if you can point!!! or better still `nudge` me in the right directions, i will have a shot at putting one or two photos up for you, and the rest of the guys, `who may also have been in West Riding.

It`s certainly a good clear picture `of all of you, but not enough exposure of the barrack block behind, for me to i/d, at which point the picture had been taken.

Stitch. jocolor
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recce83
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Can someone remind me the name of the barracks adjacent to West Riding Barracks on the same side of the highway? I think the Royal Anglians were in there in 1957/58.

It also may be a good time to bring up the subject of the bakery at West Riding Barracks I brought up in another thread several months ago. Anyone remember it?
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Stitch.
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Number of posts : 29
Age : 85
Localisation : County Durham, England.
Cap Badge : Gunner, Royal Artillery.
Places Served : Oswestry Shropshire, Kirkee Camp; Mac-Munn Bks, Colchester Essex. West Riding Barracks, Dortmund Germany.
Registration date : 2009-11-20

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Hello recce83,

Are you saying you believed there to have been an `additional set of barracks, set apart from those of the West Riding Barracks, but also within the same confines, as that of the West Riding Barracks???.

It was indeed a very large `garrison`to say the least, but i can`t recall there being any other barracks along side that of the 45th Field/Reg, R/A least not at my time their,1954-5.

In so far as the bakery, be concerned, `again i have to say, i had no recollections of such a place being in West Riding. Though yes i also have read on various Web-sites about there being such a place.

http://baor-locations.com/westridingbarracksrobson.aspx

If you haven`t had a look around the West Riding Barracks, of late, click on this link, it should take you in, and it might just be the case, that it will jog your memory.

Kind regards.

Stitch. jocolor
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steve
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Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers
Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln
Registration date : 2010-02-14

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Great photo but from the records
45th Regiment Royal Artillery with 70 + 116 + 176 Field Batteries moved from Colchester Oct 53 to West Riding Barracks Dortmund command 5th Infantry Brigade of 2nd Infantry Division...BUT believe could be Oct or Dec 54 replacing 40th Regiment Royal Artillery...from May 58 to 4th Infantry Division Dec 58 moved to Gun Club Hill Barracks Hong Kong
Sources: british-army-units1945on.co.uk + History of 5th Infantry Brigade
Regards
Steve
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ALAN.BREAKSPEAR
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Number of posts : 71
Age : 82
Localisation : Reading, Berkshire
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : (The Old Rooks) Oswestry..(West Riding Barracks) Dortmund.1958-1960.
Registration date : 2010-02-12

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Hello Stitch.
The photo's (i have one more to put on, i did have others but over the years have gone missing.) They were taken near the entrance to RHQ Battery Barracks down the side road. Not the main one at the front that led to the offices. You could walk from there over a highish bank that led to the Cookhouse and the Canteen.
Alan.
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ALAN.BREAKSPEAR
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Number of posts : 71
Age : 82
Localisation : Reading, Berkshire
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : (The Old Rooks) Oswestry..(West Riding Barracks) Dortmund.1958-1960.
Registration date : 2010-02-12

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Hello R
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ALAN.BREAKSPEAR
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Number of posts : 71
Age : 82
Localisation : Reading, Berkshire
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : (The Old Rooks) Oswestry..(West Riding Barracks) Dortmund.1958-1960.
Registration date : 2010-02-12

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Hello Recce83.
I think it could have been Moore Brks. but the entrance was from the main Dortmund road. You could walk from West Riding Brks to a shop (we were allowed to go there) in Moore Brks. You could be right about the regt stationed there at the time. I can't remember there being a bakery in West Riding (although i could be wrong).
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Number of posts : 29
Age : 85
Localisation : County Durham, England.
Cap Badge : Gunner, Royal Artillery.
Places Served : Oswestry Shropshire, Kirkee Camp; Mac-Munn Bks, Colchester Essex. West Riding Barracks, Dortmund Germany.
Registration date : 2009-11-20

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Alan,

I believe the incline you are relating too, was in fact, the road which could be accessed via Ubique Barracks. It was in these barrack rooms, where the Fusiliers were billeted. and i`m of the understanding , that these soldiers were known as the Welsh Fusiliers.

This is because of the Red & White plumages, that were worn on there headdress, or berets, if you like.

I have one or two pictures of them, coming up that bank, and marching along, passing as they did RHQ, the Cookhouse, Naafi and canteen.

I will put them up, for all to see, in the fullness of time, that is.

Stitch, jocolor
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dandc
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dandc

Number of posts : 383
Age : 70
Localisation : gateshead
Cap Badge : 15/19H.ARMY AIR CORPS
Places Served : tidworth, fallingbostle, detmold, hongkong, minden
Registration date : 2009-05-22

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the welch fusiliers wear a white hackle.i dont know what era you are talking about but prior to1969.the royal northumberland fusiliers wore red and white hackles,the warwickshire fusiliers wore blue and orange hackle and the lancashire fusiliers wore a yellow hackle. the london fusiliers also wore a white hackle.the latter 4 regiments were amalgimated in 1968 to form the royal regiment of fusiliers and all now wear the red and white hackle.
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Stitch.
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Number of posts : 29
Age : 85
Localisation : County Durham, England.
Cap Badge : Gunner, Royal Artillery.
Places Served : Oswestry Shropshire, Kirkee Camp; Mac-Munn Bks, Colchester Essex. West Riding Barracks, Dortmund Germany.
Registration date : 2009-11-20

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Hi dandc,

Thank-you for the input, and know doubt you will probably be right, in what you say. In truth i have always thought the soldiers in my `pictures to have been of the Black Watch. for they also wore a (Black Ribbon) on the back of their tunics, this can be seen in the photos of which i took at that time, 1954-5 the poor devils got a real soaking that day, a real soaking indeed.

I have encountered this kind of correction before, and rightly so, for i`m not any kind of a historian, nor do i profess to be, not at all.

I`m on other sites, and i put my pictures up there, only to get the same reactions from other individuals, the last guy told me they were not of the Black Watch either: for those `soldiers said he, wore (Kilts, and tommy chanters),.

I think those pictures I speak of, are on the Forces Reunited site, i will have a look later, and you may be able to have a look-see, and read of the comments as are made there.

Thank you again, for the input.

Stitch. jocolor
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brum
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Registration date : 2010-03-02

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Hiya Stich,
The Royal Welsh Fusiliers had the black ribbon on the back of their collars. It dates from the time when soldiers wore tarred pigtails. Apparently when the order to cease wearing the pigtail came out the RWF were on a West Indies posting and it never reached them.
Tradition, tradition !
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dandc

Number of posts : 383
Age : 70
Localisation : gateshead
Cap Badge : 15/19H.ARMY AIR CORPS
Places Served : tidworth, fallingbostle, detmold, hongkong, minden
Registration date : 2009-05-22

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to all concerned,my comments are in no way meant to be sarcastic or indeed definitve,i to have still a lot to learn[as is the case of the black ribbons=pigtails]i only found that out to day,keep up the good work everybody,dave.
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Number of posts : 29
Age : 85
Localisation : County Durham, England.
Cap Badge : Gunner, Royal Artillery.
Places Served : Oswestry Shropshire, Kirkee Camp; Mac-Munn Bks, Colchester Essex. West Riding Barracks, Dortmund Germany.
Registration date : 2009-11-20

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dandc
Dave, your comments were not taken in anyway, as being `conclusive let alone sarcastic: not at all. I as yourself, also learnt something today i/e (pigtails & ribbons) that`s a first for me also.

Brum,
If what you say, in relation to the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, is correct, I`m going to accept that as said, and declare that indeed it had to be that regiment who occupied the barracks at the bottom of the bank, in West Riding, in 1954-5

For it was the case, that they did wear the Red & White hackles, and also, the black pigtails.

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steve
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steve

Number of posts : 894
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Localisation : near Cuxhaven
Cap Badge : Royal Signals + Royal Engineers
Places Served : Verden-Aller + Willich + Iserlohn + Hameln
Registration date : 2010-02-14

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Hi all…History is a Mystery

Records for 5th Infantry Brigade…have changed a year from one source as confirmed by another

West Riding Barracks Dortmund
40th Field Regiment Royal Artillery – Apr 47 to Dec 54
45th Field Regiment Royal Artillery – Dec 54 to May 58 moved to Gun Club Hill Barracks Hong Kong and recorded back to West Riding or Moore Barracks Sep 61 but believe West Riding is correct as replaced by 14th Field Regiment Royal Artillery May 63

Moore Barracks Dortmund
2nd Battalion The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) – Mar 53 to Aug 54
1st Battalion The Royal Welch Fusiliers – Aug 54 to Aug 56
The Essex Regiment – Aug 57 to Jun 58
The 3rd East Anglian Regiment (16th/44th Foot) – Jun 58 to Mar 59
The Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment) – Mar 59 to Nov 60
replaced by The Loyal Regiment (North Lancashire) – Nov 60 to Jun 62 but in Keightley Barracks Wuppertal from 6th Infantry Brigade was this to make room for an Artillery Regiment?

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Registration date : 2009-06-04

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Stitch. wrote:
Hello recce83,

Are you saying you believed there to have been an `additional set of barracks, set apart from those of the West Riding Barracks, but also within the same confines, as that of the West Riding Barracks???.

It was indeed a very large `garrison`to say the least, but i can`t recall there being any other barracks along side that of the 45th Field/Reg, R/A least not at my time their,1954-5.

In so far as the bakery, be concerned, `again i have to say, i had no recollections of such a place being in West Riding. Though yes i also have read on various Web-sites about there being such a place.

http://baor-locations.com/westridingbarracksrobson.aspx

If you haven`t had a look around the West Riding Barracks, of late, click on this link, it should take you in, and it might just be the case, that it will jog your memory.

Kind regards.

Stitch. Photo from Dortmund. Icon_jokercolor

Thanks Stich. I think Steve answered my question about the Anglian Regt. For some reason I remember the sign on facing the road displaying the Anglian Regt crest and the 16th/44th of Foot in brackets. Strange what sticks in your mind after 52 years! Still no word on that pesky bakery where I used to load up bread on occasion.

Here's another query: was the YMCA across the street from West Riding Barracks? Seems to me that, coming from Soest, we turned left, then left again into the gate. The YMCA was right on that corner(?).

Cheers

Roderick (recce 83)
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ALAN.BREAKSPEAR
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Number of posts : 71
Age : 82
Localisation : Reading, Berkshire
Cap Badge : Royal Artillery
Places Served : (The Old Rooks) Oswestry..(West Riding Barracks) Dortmund.1958-1960.
Registration date : 2010-02-12

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Hello Steve.
I arrived with a national service intake in September 1958 to the 45Field Regiment RA stationed at West Riding Barracks in Dortmund. And left with the same intake, and from the same regt and brks in dortmund when demobed in April 1960. There was no mention of the Regt moving to HongKong when we were there.That must have happened sometime later.
Thanks Alan.
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ALAN.BREAKSPEAR wrote:
Hello Steve.
I arrived with a national service intake in September 1958 to the 45Field Regiment RA stationed at West Riding Barracks in Dortmund. And left with the same intake, and from the same regt and brks in dortmund when demobed in April 1960. There was no mention of the Regt moving to HongKong when we were there.That must have happened sometime later.
Thanks Alan.

Hi Alan
Just found this to clear things up
http://www.forums.theraa.co.uk/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=913
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Steve - the truth is out there
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Found a bit more
West Riding Barracks Dortmund
69th (West Riding) Field Regiment Royal Artillery – May 45 to Oct 46 command 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division
69th Field Regiment Royal Artillery – Oct 46 to Feb 47 command 53rd (Welsh) Infantry Division)
69th renamed 40th Field Regiment Royal Artillery – Apr 47 to Dec 54 command 5 th Infantry Brigade of 2nd Infantry Division
45th Field Regiment Royal Artillery – Dec 54 to May 63 from Apr 58 command 5th Infantry Brigade of 4th Division
But 45th may have move to Moore Barracks and back...needs 'moore' work
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Age : 85
Localisation : County Durham, England.
Cap Badge : Gunner, Royal Artillery.
Places Served : Oswestry Shropshire, Kirkee Camp; Mac-Munn Bks, Colchester Essex. West Riding Barracks, Dortmund Germany.
Registration date : 2009-11-20

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(Recce83)

Roderick, I`m assuming this to be your `christian name`if not, then apologies all-round.

In response to your question, i/e the `YMCA` otherwise known as the `Stonk Club. Yes your recollection`s are quite correct, it was as you recall, on the corner, and on the other side of the road, just before you came upon the junction.

Coming down the bank, and turning left at that junction, would take you into Dortmund. Turning left as you did, would take you up the bank, and at the top of the bank, left again as you did, would then take you, `into West Riding Barracks.

There are a number of Web-sites, displaying a picture of the "YMCA" and none more so, than that of the Web-site, to which (Steve) has just put up a link too. R.A.A.

I`m hopeful this may answer your query.

Stitch jocolor
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what happend to 19 btyafter march 1960
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lesty wrote:
what happend to 19 btyafter march 1960

DON'T LOOK AT ME MATE, I NEVER TOOK IT !
Very Happy

Seriously though, what Regt was it with in '60 ?
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Stitch. wrote:
(Recce83)

Roderick, I`m assuming this to be your `christian name`if not, then apologies all-round.

In response to your question, i/e the `YMCA` otherwise known as the `Stonk Club. Yes your recollection`s are quite correct, it was as you recall, on the corner, and on the other side of the road, just before you came upon the junction.

Coming down the bank, and turning left at that junction, would take you into Dortmund. Turning left as you did, would take you up the bank, and at the top of the bank, left again as you did, would then take you, `into West Riding Barracks.

There are a number of Web-sites, displaying a picture of the "YMCA" and none more so, than that of the Web-site, to which (Steve) has just put up a link too. R.A.A.

I`m hopeful this may answer your query.

Stitch jocolor

Thanks, Stitch. And yes, you have the name right.
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