Six Months Extra

With reference to the first photo (promise I will turn it around the right way), I have received a couple more.

Can anyone possibly identify the bridge behind these two smart young gentlemen??



And can anyone identify the Armoured Vehicle in the photo below?? It is known that it was American, but not what or possibly where.

In reference to the armoured vehicles, makes me think of an early version of the M 113 APC. The huge flat peices look like tiller boards for water crossings.

Thanks for the answer Hardrations - it gave me an idea where to look. It turns out that it looks like a fore-runner of the M113, the M59. The link below is a webpage with a photo, less the flotation gear. The welds are the same at the front, and the trackguards are the same.

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/apcm59.html

Paul.

Paul wrote:

Thanks for the answer Hardrations - it gave me an idea where to look. It turns out that it looks like a fore-runner of the M113, the M59. The link below is a webpage with a photo, less the flotation gear. The welds are the same at the front, and the trackguards are the same.

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/apcm59.html

Paul.

Trim Vane, for some reason I think we called ours a tiller board. Could be wrong (usually am). In the picture of the M 59 O see they have track guards don't seem as wide as the M 113, they were for water crossing. The IDF took them off, seems they don't do many water crossings. I also remember seeing the German version M 113 and it had a gasoline engine (earlier version I think). It just howled and must have been a real fire trap. While I'm on this about the M 113. All the IDF M 113's I saw destroyed in the Yom Kipper war were completely gutted as they are made of the same aluminum material that the RN ships were that burnt out in the Falklands war. All you would see left of the M 113 was the tracks, engine, drive train and back ramp where there was usually a neat 4 inch hole made by the Egyptian rocket.

The M113 is built of aircraft quality aluminum

well paul,are you going to put us out of our misery,wich regt is it?,dave.

2 Bn 52 Infantry Regiment 3 Armoured Division,B Coy vehicles

dandc wrote:

well paul,are you going to put us out of our misery,wich regt is it?,dave.

I was not able to with the cap badge (still looking), but TonyE was about the APC markings.

Thank you TonyE, I will pass that on.

Paul.

The more I look at the photograph the more I suspect that this could possibly have been either a section/platoon photograph, or possibly a squad photograph somewhere near the end of basic training.

The "Rupert" was probably the Section/Platoon Commander, and the body with the knife edge creases on the left seems to have a W.O.'s badge of rank on his wrist. Third from left on the front rank has a single stripe, whilst on the other side of the "hossifer" is a sergeant complete with sash, and is that a Pace Stick I see in his left hand, or just a cane. Second from right in the rear rank, there is a patch behind the cap badge - a Platoon ID or a rebadge from another Regiment?

The photograph shows them in shirt sleeve order, so taken in late spring/summer/early autumn probably.

The cap badge still eludes me though. I have looked at quite a few but there is not a clear enough view in the photo to be absolutely sure.

Paul.

Boy I have blown up that photo but still cannot make out the cap badge, could it be RAOC !!. ... taken 50's or 60's by the BD uniform, the guy with the knife edge creases is too young to be a WO, its probably his watch, if he was a WO he would be sitting next to the Rupert. The Colour Sgt is carrying a 'Drill Stick' not a Pace Stick they are generally reserved for RSM's ... they look damn smart, good turn out Sar'nt Major, give them a 48 hr pass ..

Len (Ciphers)

The badge does look very much like RAOC,is there no clue at all to who the unit may be.?

sorry gents it still looks like the KINGS regt,??[the badge looks too round to be RAOC],but i could be wrong[usually am],dave.PS drill sgt/duty sgt with sash in shirt sleve order???.

Assuming the sash worn by the sr NCO or WO is red, it has to be an infantry regiment, which narrows it down a bit.

I know it's hard to decipher colour from a b&w photo, but red usually registers as a very particular 'tone' of dark grey in b&w photos and this sash doesn't quite have that tone...although it's close. Could it be green? Green also has a very specific tone to it in such photos....just a thought....

I have received another couple of photo's connected to this gentleman.

The first one might make the cap badge a little more identifiable (but I still can't really make it out). A couple of things come to mind with this photo.

Why are they not wearing "gaiters" or puttees?

The stonework (as in the group photo) does not seem to ring any bells from Germany. Could it possibly be somewhere in the UK?



The photo below is of Keith's brother. Does anyone recognise him? I used a thumbnail pic as it is quite large. Click on it for a bigger image.



Paul.

looking at the platoon photo,the gent on the left is definatley wearing something on his wrist,but looks a bit young to be a WO.[it also look like they are wearing thier best boots check the toe caps].as to the chaps on the second photo,i think these two are either on jankers or fatigues,check out the working dress trousers and plimsoles,as far as the bks go it looks like some old established garrison town type bks,perhaps Nwest england,or even scotland,only my opinion,dave.

The guy on the left is wearing a watch not a WO badge. If he were a WO, the badge would be on his right wrist.

The stone work reminds me of the older buildings on base in Cyprus.

Could it be the Catering Corps

Len (Ciphers)
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definatly not the kings regt, but,hows about the RAMC,dave.

dandc wrote:

definatly not the kings regt, but,hows about the RAMC,dave.

I thought about the Medics as well. Did they not use a patch behind the badge in some cases??

Paul.

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Could it be the Catering Corps

They look a tad too healthy for that Len

Healthy!!,well they would get the pick of the rations,I thought it was ACC (Andy Capps Commando's) as well.

ACC - we used to call 'em something else.But all joking aside,we had some great cooks in my Regt,and the buffets in the Sgts Mess were a gourmets paradise!The only problem cooks seem to have was with their turnout for Adjts Parade!
And only the army cooks could,in my opinion,produce a really first class curry!
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Don

yes,maroon i think

TonyE wrote:

2 Bn 52 Infantry Regiment 3 Armoured Division,B Coy vehicles

Can any one provide details of where this unit may have been in Germany in the early 1960's please, or know of a link to the unit??

Paul.